Ok, I was at the fight, interested how you guys scored Froch - Dirrell???

to be honest i was at the fight and most of the people around me had froch winning by a big margin....but mates who watched it on tv had dirrell winning,from where i was seated alot of punches seemed to land but having not yet viewed the fight on tv it is hard for me to comment further.but by the general opinion on here the fight was alot closer when watched on tv rather than live.

 

114-113 froch, and I'm an american, who is more biased to dirrell's style of fighting...

 

I'll just copy my long post from the other thread, in which I was speaking on both fights:

Jermain couldn't land ****. Absolutely nothing clean. Jab jab jab, power blows, etc., everything on the guard. Some on the body, a few power shots here and there, a few jabs, about 20% at most. Abraham landed almost all his body shots, his occasional jab caught Taylor regularly and although Taylor was alert, AA's power punches landed half-clean or clean throughout the fight more regularly than he got caught, and based on a round by round basis - and I don't give pity rounds - Abraham was able to win most, despite the rounds being close.

There's no such thing as a round based on workrate, if you don't land ****. Abraham was able to catch Taylor more often and I can only remember ONE clean, flush bomb landing by Jermain during the entire fight. Nothing effective. He was soundly outboxed. 8 rounds to AA, 2 rounds to Taylor and an even round (the 1st, if I give it to Taylor, it's still 8 to 3, which is 107-102).

The same reason I had Dirrell the Holder ahead, he looked like **** all night going down, holding, running, complaining etc., BUT, he avoided most of Froch's punches and was able to land occasionally to win some of the highly disappointing rounds. Froch had some success in certain rounds, but when Andre finally opened up in the last 3 and looked like he was able to hurt Froch, he was able to win it on my cards. 6 rounds to Dirrell, 4 to Froch, one 10-10 (1st) and a 9-9 (10th, in which Andre was penelized but hurt Carl). That'a 115-113 on my card for Andre Dirrell.



Once again I would like to express my thoughts on many of your inability of scoring. I understand that many posters had quite different cards tonight, BUT, in my opinion BOTH fights had an obvious winner on the cards, based on CLEAN EFFECTIVE PUNCHING. No way you can make a case Taylor was more effective (landing more, or a higher % or with bigger power), because he wasn't, AA was ahead in all categories. Same for Dirrell, although some of his rounds were so much without action, the occasional jabs made the difference (as in some rounds Froch landed absolutely nothing).

I really don't think that "we all have different opinions" work with these cards, and there's no such thing as subjetive scoring (at least there shouldn't be, but there is): if you can score properly (which is a translation of the actual fight to statistics and numbers, not that eary), you had Abraham and Froch ahead. If not, you have serious problems understanding what is effective and what is not or you don't have the ability to translate it into a 10-point must system round-by-round score.

 

Here it is (note: I had been up since the ABraham-Taylor fight, so my scoring may have been influenced by excessive alcohol consumption:

1: F
2: F (Very close)
3: F
4: D
5: D
6: F
7: F
8: F
9: Even (I think most gave this to Dirrell)
10: D
11: D
12: F

Most of the rounds there were few clean punches, but Frochs punches (esp to the body) were harder than Dirrells slaps, and Dirrell held too much for my liking.

 

So you thought Dirrell was the obvious winner despite it being 115-113....so if someone has scored ONE round different to your Froch-Dirrell score and had it a draw you think they cant score the fight BigBone? In a fight with so many close rounds thats a loada of BS

STFU with your 'inablility of scoring' nonsense.....

 

The apparently you can't score since you had Dirrell winning .

Yes, clean, effective punching matters, but so does workrate, And Taylor TOTALLY outworked Abraham. Besides, ABraham missed many shots clean and looked foolish doing it, and I only had him landing very few punches clean. His body shots nearly all hit Taylors gloves.
There is a reason we ony saw slow mo repeats of Abrahams punches: Because otherwise everyone would realise how totally corrupt the scoring for Sauerland fights are.

 

Sorry if I sounded arronant. But Dirrell clearly did more in this close fight, and if you translate it properly into a round by round system, you should have Dirrell ahead. I don't want to diss anyone, I want people (most of all, officials) to learn how to score properly. I'm quite experienced in scoring and despite I didn't see stats, I can tell you that Dirrell was more effective, landed more, and landed the cleaner shots. Once again, on a round by round basis it was very close, but the scores should've favored Dirrell. The difference in the cards show the officials bias or inability to score properly, on clean effective punching. It is the close fights where the ability and inability of scoring make a huge difference. People having Froch ahead... well, what can you do, close fight, scorer must've missed the little stuff. People having Taylor ahead - total inability of scoring on objective standards.

If I could be a super official, I'd invest about $5.000.000 and put the officials through 100 hours of education so they would score the same and not have totally different interpretations of the same fight. Maybe I'm dumb and they'd see different than I do. But they, the so-called officials should have it unanimously.