**Ok-let's not be crazy-Pavlik beat Jermain...that's it for now**

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Orishaman, Sep 30, 2007.


  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Blah blah blah....I haven't contradicted myself a single time in this thread. Quote me and show it like I did to you, or else live with the fact that as usual, your attempt at stirring things has been thwarted.

    Saying Pavlik could beat Hopkins is no different than you saying Hopkins could beat Pavlik. I am no more guilty of knowing the future than you are now am I? I am no more certain of my opinion that you are....you are the only one who has said your opinion is FACT here right? If I have, show me where I said it. If you can't well.....
     
  2. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But real boxing fans don't give a **** what colour the man is.
     
  3. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    So if we are both stating your opinion,what's the issue here...we both stating your opinion and as always you ahve to be dure your opinion is the real deal which is waht crack me up about you...you are the type a person that threw a stone and then hide the hand and point the finger at someone else...I ahve you figure out for what you are....so

    Let just said this...your post speaks volume on the type of person you are.....I am opinionaded and I don't hide it nor hide behind any type of bulll **** I stand behind of what I beleive and when it come to historical issues I have always presented eveidence to back up my theories...contrary to you who work strickly on inuendos and no data to back it up....

    History, so back to the topic in hand: Bhop v Pavlik at 175...history ahs shown that most boxers don't carry the power to the higher weight classes...BHop Beat a true younger and power puncher 175 for the LHW title, in fact BHop KD the cat that was supposed to owned him, BHop took Tarver to school, and in all honesty , at the low rate of BHop he still won the WW fight when everyone else including Jermain Taylkor seem to ahve problems with his style..not BHop...so with those factual statement I simply say that Pavlik will have a tought time getting close to BHop to punch...Pavlik compare to BHop is a kid a kid.....Ok...so respect Bhop experince , in the ring is worth a lot...

    Hell I know this is not a reflection on you, but some of this fools are already comparing Pavlik to an ATG like MMH...please....let Pavlik hold the title for 7 or 8 years before you start the comparison to any ATG calyber boxer...
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When and if you can prove I have said anything that you accused me of, then get back to me. Otherwise, I have proven my point and have no need to repeat myself. You have always been a trouble maker and a spinner Orisha. You hide behind some false moral high road, all the while anyone who has read this thread can see that every chance you get you have called anyone who disagrees with you names (nuthuggers, fools, etc) and I quoted your hypocritical stance on opinions being fact, proving you are the one who said your opinion was right and everyone else was wrong. So again, you're right, my post say alot about me....as do yours.

    I am fully aware BTW of your "arch enemy" post. Newsflash. You are at odds with most people here. It's why you are always trying to downplay majority opinions as being bad.

    Oh, and you work with facts? Name one FACT you have used here to back anything up. Remember, you are the one who claims you can factually prove that Jones Jr is not in the Top 100 ATG fighters ever. Prove it.
     
  5. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    kelly beat the other big hitters in the mw divison in mirnada and taylor.so i dont see anyother mw right now thay he could not beat.bhop is on another level and bhop would out class him kelly big time.

    winky hmm, **** the new winky lets his hands go alot more and jt was able to bust him up and break the guard some what, im quite sure kelly could do the same.

    at 36 im not sure if winky has the legs to box the whole night against a big pressure fighter like kelly.i like winky alot i just dont like him at 160, my thing is he can outbox anyone in the mw divison but he lacks power big time.

    if winky had kellys power he would have droped him when he fought jt, winky does have a good beard and can block well.i just think winky would have problems with a guy that throws alot of punches with power and im for sure winky cant hurt him.so kp might run him over, but if winky keeps the jab going and boxes he can get a ud.

    if he can keep it up for 12rds and not get hurt but thats big if to me a big if !
     
  6. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I am my own man and public opinion mean **** specially on a cyber lounge, sure is fun talk boxing, but folls like you that never had even get close to a real ring or boxing gym, think know boxing and are bocypherous on their opinion while the chumps admire you disguised style..abtwa if you read the thread on that post you will see that I did't cut on you...here;s the post

    So once again you have not proof of any wrong doing by me...here was my post. now did I dish on you I want you to sholw me...if not eat crow and admit you talk to much....now if you can find were I punk you out ..show me, or shut up......
     
  7. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    Individuals fitting that description? Are equivalent to the "Blind Leading the Blind."

    **** that ****:good

    Winners vs winners = Boxing Wins

    Thats whatsup:good
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Did I say you were wrong or DID anything wrong? No, what I said was that you are at odds with everyone, obviously referring to the fact that you made it sound like you and I were the only ones at odds, when in reality, you are at odds with MANY people ALOT of the time.

    Is there anything in there that says you're horrible or anything like that? Didn't think so. Did I say you said anything bad about me? No...I am pointing out that you are at odds OFTEN with the majority of posters on your opinions and that for some reason, you think that I am a special case.

    I don't care if you are your own person. It doesn't make you right. The majority is not always right. But they damn sure are not always wrong.
     
  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    BTW you fail once again to show the facts....as you pointed out:

    which I posted the acutal post...which you purposly blockout...in typical fashion...so here is my post one more time talking about you:


    So I never insulted you I stated facts once again...you are own...BTW...look at the name of thread:

    ...simply stating ...Ok great win for Pavlik, enjoyed it..let's get back to work to improved your deficienciesbefore you are crown an MW ATG after one fight...that's my point..so waht is so wrong about that statement that affected you so much to open your hole and say that Pavlik is ready to take on BHop or WW...
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LMAO....I purposely blocked it out.

    Lets take the whole post Orisha "I am itching for a fight" man.

    Now...point out where I say you said anything wrong. What doesn't my explanation cover. I pointed it out because as I said, you are at odds with most posters, not just me. For some reason though, you think it's just me....you following now? Can you point out for your own credibilities sake where I said you insulted me? You DID however insult me earlier in the this thread.

    Now to finish you off. Stay on point here Orisha.

    You just said this right? You want to know what is wrong with what you said that I had to open my mouth and say that Pavlik is ready to fight Hopkins or WW? Let me help you.

    Brooklyn said this:
    Then I responded with this:
    Then Brooklyn responded:
    Then I responded:
    Then you responded directly under me:
    Then DIRECTLY TO ME:
    So to answer your little question....I didn't respond to you. I was talking to Brooklyn. It was YOU who started in on ME about my opinion. I don't care, just don't try and play a victim and insinuate I attacked your opinion on Pavlik-Taylor.
     
  11. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Well you and Broklyn are both wrong making way to much of this victory by Pavlik, by the way when you reference the archrival thread, we can clearly see, you real meaning, now that you are a real man and admited what you ment that;s anothter story.....I can clearly see you meaning....

    There you go again with your spinning doctor qualities .....

    then you can just not post regarding youself, you have to bring the "everyone at ESB" ...which again I simply reply....attimes is fun to debate with knowledgable fellows like Zivic and we can debate and disagree but with you, is well is my opinion and everyone like me, so what I said is law...which I reply ..WTFC about your bias unfactual opinions....
     
  12. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    hahhhahahaha this is a joke right?

    link please cause I have to see what morons are saying this.
     
  13. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Is a fact...I saw also...unbeleivable...after one fight they are ready to crown him ATG...typical ESBstuff ...priceless:rofl
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't bother me with your inferiority complex. I don't care what you think I said about you. That was the point of what I said, and thank you for proving it. I pointed out the thread because you ALWAYS try to play some victim. Stop being a baby.

    Funny enough, you say this:
    And then in the same post say this:
    Like I said. You're a hypocrite. Talk about being man enough....I just quoted you getting the entire premise of a conversation wrong (trying to play the vicitim as usual) and did you say "Oh I was wrong"? No....you just tell me that Brooklyn and I are wrong about our opinions and make no mention of your screw up in thinking or trying to play it off as though someone started a fight with you.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BTW, I only post my opinion. I only mention others opinions because you like to play this card that people who disagree with you are suddenly crazy to have that opinion. I simply like pointing out that for some reason, everyone is always crazy BUT YOU.

    Not to mention, in our original disagreement, I distinctly remember you saying that most people didn't think Jones was a top 100 ATG, and when I started the poll, you said you didn't care about others opinions. You then used Bert Sugar as your backup....