**Ok-let's not be crazy-Pavlik beat Jermain...that's it for now**

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Orishaman, Sep 30, 2007.


  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe they are, not to an extreme extent anyway. kg_123 just has a realistic evaluation of where Hopkins is at.
     
  2. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I play the victim for the last hour you keep trying to spinning the rethoric so that you look good...I got our game plan and you spinning bull****, I don't care what you think, nor I talk behind peoples back which was what you incinuated by your referal to thearch enemy post, and then don;t have the ball to admited...so his the hypocrite here....I come straight at you regrdless waht I said I stand behind, not like you who choooses to spin and spin...and BTW the quote that you posted I was talking and referring to you not me, here;s the entire post chump:
    ....refering to you and your crownies ...saying well waht I say is law..refereing to your post....
     
  3. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    BTW I am not disagreing that BHop is past his prime, but still dangerous man just on expeince alone....and that's a fact....hell you all gave him for dead against Tarver...proof you all wrong, Tarver a real LHW not a blown MW....that;s my point..he discourge Tarver on experince alone
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're repeating yourself now. And you apparently can't read well either. Of course the post I quoted was about me. Never said it wasn't. That was the whole point. Pay attention Orisha.

    I quoted a post where you say that I believe my opinion is law. Then I quoted a post where you tell me my opinion is wrong, and that you are right. So apparently, I am not the only one who thinks his opinion is the correct one. I present my opinion no different than yours usually. If anything, I rarely say "You are wrong and I am right". I just say I don't agree with you and point out why. You are the one telling people they are wrong. Got it now?
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't pick Tarver.

    But those picking Tarver weren't have anticipated how bad Tarver has become and were guilty of underestimating Hopkins size


    You can get away with a Hopkins' punch output against someone like a totally inactive Tarver. Pavlik won't afford you that time. Of course Hopkins is smart and will anticipate Pavliks' punches. He only has a jab and that right really. So Hopkin will totally outsmart him, read him like a book and take some of the very early rounds perhaps. But Pavliks workrate, strength and youth would catch up, despite Hopkins intelligence and style being advantageous (they would be advantagous were he younger). Hopkins wouldn't have a sustainable (at his age) gameplan.
     
  6. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    You are a funny cat...you don;t care what I said yet you spend the last hour back and forth with me....that is funny ****.....funny ****...and BTW....as I mentioned before you were one of the ones that let BHop for dead against Tarver and look the result...he won that fight on experince alone..never underestimate a master boxer like BHop regardless of his work rate declining...he will make you miss and the hiugh volume of a guy like Pavlik hitting air for 6 or 7 rounds will start to show signs of frustrationa and tireness....I am tire..we can contine this tomorrow...love yah Bro!!!!:hi:
     
  7. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Tarver didn;t start inactive and catatonic, was BHop ability to frustrate Tarver that turned him into catatonic state.....remember that
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, I know what you said better than you. I think I have easily proven that it's you who is mixed up. But if it makes you feel better to believe what you believe, go right on ahead.

    I never left Hopkins for dead on anything....what are you talking about now? The only comment I made before the Hopkins-Tarver fight was "I am not sure if Hopkins will carry the weight well at his age. If he doesn't Tarver will win".

    You just make things up now right? Kinda like when you made the off color joke about me not liking Puerto Ricans before I told you I was half Puerto Rican:lol::lol:
     
  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Half Puerto Rican is not a full Puerto Rican, lets get that straight...I am 100% Puerto Rican and very proud of it....

    Now, the fact that you so enphatically said: Well I am not sure if BHop will carry the weight..well guess waht he did..and he owned TRarver, he systematically got on his head and beat him metally before he beat him physically, and that's waht BHop can do, that's experince ringmanship...intangibles...etc....and if this fight would eve happen-which it won't for the reasons I mentioned earlier-the intangibles will favor BHop..and that's what I based my opinion that BHop would win this fight, it would be easy like Tarver but he still will find a way....so yes you did let BHop out for dead.....:hi:
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You looked like an idiot when you said that and you know it. As a matter of fact, you backtracked and said I couldn't take a joke:deal Half, Full blooded....who cares?

    So, my saying that I was unsure if Hopkins could carry the weight, and that if he couldn't Tarver would win, means I left Hopkins for dead?:lol::lol::lol:

    Talk about spinning. :hat I "emphatically" said it? How did I "emphatically say it"? Enlighten me.
     
  11. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Beleive me, half-Puerto Rican is not Puerto Rican..and why you didn't mentioned this fact from the begining rather than in one of our discussions....are you ashamed of it...I am not...in fact I am hell proud of it and like to sreamed it to the four winds: Yo Soy Boricua..mi amor es Puerto Rico....

    Anyhow, you left BHop for dead before the Tarver fight, on your "right on" analysis of carrying the weight, which clearly shows your flawed theories, BHop proof you wrong onece and agaisnt Pavlik, which it will never happend, he probably would ahe proof you wrong also...:yep
     
  12. Amsterdam

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    I'm glad you, myself and Brooklyn are on the same page regarding where Wright currently stands, three council members agreeing is a plus.:good
     
  13. Sinew

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    Bernard didnt get dropped by Taylor either:hey I am really happy for Pav with this win. But I dont know how Pav could get past Hop. At this point BHop may be too old to contend with Pav , but Pav could get countered HARD by BHop...Its definantely a scenario.
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    You're reaching. If I had said "Hopkins can't carry the weight so he will lose" you would have a point. Saying "If Hopkins can't carry the weight, Tarver will win" is not a declaration or prediction. It's recognizing factors involved in the fight. No prediction was made, so you have nothing to stand on. Moving on.

    One of the dumber things you have ever said:deal Should I run around in each thread screaming my ethnicity? BTW, I had mentioned it before...you not seeing it is not my problem. The real problem here was you accusing me of not liking Puerto Ricans, which is why it was mentioned in the first place. Nice try to deflect the situation. I don't care if you are half anything or full anything. There is no difference to me. If there is to you...good for you.
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Hopkins (sometimes mistaken for green Hopkins) would badly embarrass Pavlik. Badly embarrass the man with only two functional punches.

    Now though Hopkins has pretty much zero chance himself agaist Pavik.