Ok, Maidana is no Roberto Duran, but guess what?

And here we have a *****

The art of boxing. Not many understand it. Floyd understands it... very well... He should only be fighting Pac, Bradley or Garcia... only Bradley or Pac stand a chance. (Sorry Danny...but good choice by you not to fight Floyd)

Who has Maidana fought who is near mayweather's level?
Who did Maidana lose to?
Did Maidana get beat by all the better boxers he faced?

oh yeah... and i'm a huge Chino fan

I just hope Maidana doesn't retire after this

The people who know see right through this pointless fight and they all also saw through the Ortiz fight and even more so the Guerrero fight.

Waste your money. Atleast the undercard fight will be good. Floyd knows it has to be good.

 

Yes, but Floyd's never fought an ATG when it mattered, so this point is meaningless. He has more fluff fights than note worthy fights, thus why he's criticized extra.

Had he already fought and beaten a Pacquaio and a Williams and so on, there would but much less criticism. He admits to being safety first, there's tons of quotes from him saying he's a businessman first.

SRL fought elite guys even when shot, as did other greats. Floyd wouldn't fight certain elite guys when in good form at the height of his powers, so he will never be rated with a SRL.

The guy is a ducker, it is what it is.

 

Top Rank fighters...

 

At the time of his being in a division, there have been no ATG's to fight. Spare for Pacquiao. We all know what happened during the 2009-2010 negotiations.

The best fighters that history will remember that were around his weight class; Oscar, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto, Marquez, and Pacquiao... he fought all but one. He fought the best LW of the whole decade twice in Castillo as well as beating a top 10 SFW ever in Genaro. The next best fighters you could argue that were around who he didn't fight would be Kostya (shared a division for a few months then Kostya lost to Hatton) and Casamayor and Freitas at SFW. I mean, come on.. How can he help that 3 or 4 divisions stood between he and Oscar for most of their careers, and he and Pacquiao most of their careers, etc.

 

Shhhhhh!

Some people talk about it but still don't follow boxing.

 

It's true that all boxers fight some less-than-great opposition from time to time and I have no problem with Floyd doing the same. When that happens though, it's only natural that people might not be interested in watching the fight, especially if the fight is likely to be uncompetitive and boring.

 

Who has Floyd fought that is anywhere near the level of Hagler, Hearns, or Duran?

EVERY boxer fights bums but its the top competition you fight that matters. Floyd has never fought competition anywhere near all time great status

You have demonstrated your own incompetence and ignorance, nothing more.

Mayweather has not fought a top-level opponent in their prime other than Marquez - which was an undersized man and a perfect matchup stylistically for Floyd. Mayweather is definitely not a top 35 p4p fighter all time. He's 45-0 whoop de doo it only took him 18 years including a one year vacation. Harry Greb meanwhile is fighting actual competition (with a few bums) going 45-0 in one year alone. He didn't make a whole career of fighting bums like Canelo Ortiz and Guerrero like padded record Mayweather. Joe Louis' 25 championship defenses in 11 years make up more than half of Floyd's career. Sam Langford was a lightweight fighting guys 30-40 pounds heavier than him and knocked out almost triple the amount of opponents that Floyd has even fought in his whole career. Yes every fighter in history have fought bums, but regardless the top 35 have accomplished much more than Mayweather. Mayweather is the dust upon which these people walk.

With the exception of Marquez, literally all of Floyd's wins come against the following
1) paper champions (Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Ortiz, Castillo)
2) washed up fighters past their best (Oscar - who isn't any good in his prime in the first place, Cotto, Mosley)
3) padded record fighters with hype jobs by the media with no actual substance (Hatton, Canelo, Corrals)
4) overrated people on the p4p rankings (Corrales, Canelo, Hatton)
5) Bums in general (Canelo, Ortiz, Guerrero, Corrales, Baldomir, Mitchell, Ndou, , Hatton, Pep, Juuko, Gerena, Vargas, Corley, Bruseles, Chavez, Sosa)

 

Maidana is coming off a very good win but it was against, essentially, a relative lightweight hype-job who had zero gameplan and was more interested in showboating, dryhumping etc. I loved that fight but Maidana called Broner an elite defensive fighter, no way in hell he was that, if he thinks Broner was a good defensive fighter he is kidding himself.

His wins vs. Soto Karass and Lopez are ok, but imo both opponents were a) tailor made for him (come forward brawlers) and b) Over-rated (Lopez for beating tree Ortiz, Karass had 2 wins in his last 7 before the Maidana fight).

Before that he was schooled by Alexander of all people (Alexander has speed and some ring IQ). He was in the eyes of many beaten by shot Morales, and beaten by Khan (who he couldn't finish even when had him hurt bad in the last rounds).

Mayweather camp are already playing the dangerous, one-punch-ko card, but Maidana isn't really a KO artist and his KO% is slightly deceptive. He is a high-quality brawler who usually comes out on top in brawls due to his heart, toughness and cumulative power vs guys with less than stellar defense. Stylistically he looks to be at a huge disadvantage to Mayweather, and its hard to see him doing anything that Mayweather won't be able to handle. Unless Mayweather gets injured, grows ancient overnight or gets clocked by a 1 in a million punch, Maidana has no chance in this fight.

 

Max Kellerman is a legend for ranking his Castillo first fight as the GOAT fight

I have to find out how to use the ignore button, as I never used it before...Which tells you how worthless you are :think

 

1. Genaro Hernandez is NOT a paper champion. Wow. I don't even need to continue as you've lost all credibility. He was lineal champion, undefeated at SFW, and in most peoples' top 10 SFW all time list.

2. Corrales a paper champion too?!? Wow...

3. Carlos Baldomir, while a "one hit wonder," was also not a paper champion. He was the lineal champion.

4. Damn, and then you upstage all of that by listing another lineal champion, viewed as the best LW of the decade, in Castillo. Utter fail.

5. You don't think Oscar was good in his prime? Cool story.

6. Oddly enough for Mosley and Cotto, both were ranked the highest they ever have been in a division before when Floyd faced them (Mosley most peoples' #1 WW, Cotto most peoples' #1 JMW). They were well past their best but to call them washed up is to make it a relative term; they'd still have beaten many at their weight at the time.

7. "Padded hype jobs" with "no actual substance:"
Ricky Hatton, 43-0, Kostya Tszyu
Saul Alvarez, 42-0-1, Austin Trout
Diego Corrales, 33-0, Garcia/Gainer/Manfredy

Maybe if they were 17-0 or 22-0 without those top individual wins, you'd have some point regarding opponents lacking experience.

8. "overrated people on the p4p rankings..." You list the same above 3 that have "no actual substance." Hmm. Had everybody fooled then, eh? Those weren't the fights everybody wanted to see at the time, eh? Because those three fights are perhaps the three finest examples of Floyd giving the fans exactly what they wanted.

9. You list all of those guys as bums? How many active fighters boxing aren't bums in your opinion? 10, maybe 15? Is that too many? Listing Alvarez, Corrales, Hatton, and half those other fighters as "bums" is complete nonsense... If you want to list Bruseles, Sosa, and Juuko their, then go for it. But the length of names you have described showcases a certain silly-ness that no one will respect.

10. I like the Tony Pep shout out. Calling out opponents in his pre-championship days when he was fighting 7+ times a year.

 

lmao at the excuses.

pedjr used to be on tr, did he fight margo, cotto, clottey there?:hi:

when it is risky, expect pedjr to fly to africa, tr or no tr.:good

 

The problem with the comparison to SRL you have just made is the fact that he did indeed fight Duran....3 times. He may have had a couple of easy fights between his bigger ones, but Floyd hasn't really had any big fights that even come close to Duran, Hearns and Hagler

 

Let's look at Floyd's "noteworthy" wins.

1) Diego "padded record" corrales - a bum who never beat a notable fighter and got showed up by Castillo clottey and casamayor. Paper champion. Did not beat an elite fighter EVER. The fact that he was rated above Floyd, Hopkins, Lennox, Roy Jones in 2001 proves that he is extremely overrated and for this reason people perceive Floyd's victory as noteworthy when it is not. And I don't care if Lennox lost in 2001 he was still better than Corrales could hope to be.

2) Arturo "punching bag" gatti - before rios was the punching bag u had gatti who was an exciting boxer but nothing more than a walking punching bag and never beat anyone. Micky Ward was never an elite fighter, just an exciting punching bag. Ward does not count as a notable win aside from the excitement value of the fight.

3) Jose L Castillo - a guy who was never an elite fighter and still managed to beat floyd bumweather in the first fight but got robbed by the judges. Showed up Floyd and exposed him as a fighter who is only good at fighting his own fight and why he'd get crushed by Guys like Duran Armstrong Leonard hearns Langford Walker Smith Pernell and more. No excuses about Floyd's shoulder can be used. Holyfield fought a good fight vs Moorer with a hurt shoulder and roy jones beat bernard hopkins EASY with a broken right hand. If Floyd wants to hold a candle to those guys the my shoulder hurts excuse can't be used. Yes floyd did win the second fight, but the fact remains he got showed up by a good but not great fighter in Castillo. Castillo is certainly not an all time great and beating him does not propel you into the all time great ranks. Losing to this guy definitely hurts your stock.

4) Zab undisputed paper champion Judah - not a true undisputed champion. Got crushed by guys like Cory spinks and kosta tzyu. Even lost to Baldomir. Avenging a loss against Spinks is not notable because there should not have been a need to avenge it in the first place. Funny thing is even a joke like Judah was dominatin the first 4 rounds (knocking down Floyd) before he ran out of gas.

5) Carlos "Basura" Maldomir - no notable wins or skill. Zab Judah is not a notable win. Gatti is a punching bag and nothing more. Baldomir had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Judah/Gatti and that was it. Paper champion like the vast majority of Floyd's title fight opponents.

6) Ricky fatten hatton - like his overrated countryman calzaghe (who was gifted a W vs hopkins) he fought against no names his whole career and had a padded record. Malignaggi does not count as a good win. No technique no chin for hatton and a meaningless W like almost all of Floyd's wins. The fact that he was rated high on the p4p list only shows how sheep are quick to follow the herd when they have no knowledge of boxing. Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill.

7) Oscar de la fishnet - another overrated fighter who was gifted wins over sturm and Whitaker, and almost every time he fought an elite fighter got crushed - look at what happens EVERY TIME he fights top level guys. Mosley (lost twice, tough decision in fight 2) Hopkins (KO) pacquiao (TKO) Whitaker (robbery) Trinidad (3 rounds of running - not something a true champion would do) Sturm (robbery). Oscar must have had Sven Ottke as his mentor with the number of gifted decisions he got. Padded record like Floyd making a career of beating bums like Vargas Chavez Camacho and Ricardo "one hit wonder" Mayorga. Yes Chavez is a bum he made a career of fighting cab drivers (as did Camacho) and was lucky to survive Meldrick Taylor. And Oscar actually gave the "great" Floyd may weather problems and a competitive first 8 rounds before gassing like Zab SuperWack Judah. Pathetic. Oscar has the fake clean cut image and the money but thats about it since his boxing alone could not make him a star. Extremely overrated and not a notable win for a supposedly all time great.

8. Marquez - this everyone has to admit was a masterful performance by mayweather. Amazing defense reflexes and accurate counterpunching. Marquez never did anything the whole fight and couldnt get on the inside. Amazing technical brilliance by mayweather. But Marquez is the only legit prime fighter on Floyd's resume. Plus - outside of Marco Antonio Basura and Manny Wackquiao - who has marquez beaten? Undersized and tailor made for Floyd like rios for pacquiao. Marquez is a great win and a good fighter but lets not blow this win out of proportion. Beating Marquez alone does not put you in the all time ranks. Even Tim Bradley Freddie Norwood and Chris John beat Marquez. Marquez nunca seria con los mejores en boxeo y nunca podria ser. I advise every non-Spanish speaking person reading this flawless masterpiece to learn Spanish since they will be missing out on wisdom of the highest degree.

9) Shane Mosley - Floyd likes to criticize other fighters for fighting leftovers when 90% of his fights are leftovers. Mosley was Vernon Forrest and winky wright leftovers by the time he got to floyd. Old gassed and not as explosive or fast as in his prime. Despite that he nearly knocked out Floyd and crushed his supposedly Whitaker-like defense in the first 2 rounds before - again - gassing like all of floyds past prime opponents. Mosley did beat Margacheato and Mayorga prior to smashing Floyd's face in during the second round, but it is evident from Mosley's lack of activity in the next 10 rounds that he wasn't the same Shane that whipped Overrated De la Fishnet.

10) Miguel cotto - great fighter. Unfortunately he was margacheato and pacquaios punching bag before he got to Floyd. Despite being past his prime he showed up Floyd for 4 rounds and who knows how a prime cotto would have done. The "impregnable" defense of mayweather didn't seem so unstoppable when Floyd's face was cut up like the deer I killed a few weeks ago. Again, Floyd's hypocrisy is exposed as he criticizes other fighters for fighting leftovers.

11) Victoria Ortiz - never should have been in the ring to begin with. got crushed by maidana and beat another overrated guy in berto. After he headbutts Floyd and gets what he deserves with a knockout - yes what Floyd did is justifiable 100% since it was legal and Ortiz fought dirty in the first place - we again saw the fake paper champion and how weak he is when he quit against Lopez. Ortiz was basically a tune up fight like Bowe vs Ferguson it means literally nothing.

12) Robert Guerrero - like Ortiz. Beat a bum in berto and lost to guys like salido while also lying to a ringside doctor in his fight vs Yordan about the seriousness of his cut so he could get away with a no contest. The nickname of Ghost suits him since he disappears against guys he can't fight (Salido, Yordan) No notable wins. Padded record just like floyd and his competition. Like Ortiz, this win is worthless. Apparently, beating Berto is enough to get you a fight against a supposedly "all time great" fighter.

13) Canelo "basura" Alvarez - Canelo no sabe cómo pelear el solamente ganó contra bums como trout Maldomir y un Mosley viejo. No se porque los Mexicanos estaban pensando que canelo tenia una opportunidad ser "el one". Canelo no sabia que estaba haciendo en el ring y nunca vencio a un gran campeon (Mosley era viejo al tiempo que el perdio). In summary Canelo is a bum and another meaningless W. Barely beating Austin Trout who got exposed in the fight after does not make you a notable opponent. Again, if you dont know how to speak Spanish then learn it because you are missing out on some flawless wisdom of the highest degree.

14) Genaro Hernandez - paper champion who never beat a top level boxer in their prime. EVER. Azumah was washed up when he lost go Genaro

Now look at Floyd's next opponent.

1) Maidana - good fighter. Not at an elite level though and a win over him will not put Floyd among the greats. Has been easily outboxed by technical guys before.

Remember - saying those past and future opponents have belts doesn't mean anything. John Ruiz was a champion but not exactly an elite fighter. Also saying stuff like oh Ricky Hatton/Corrales etc was rated such and such on the p4p list at the time doesn't prove anything. At one point overrated Oscar was the number 1 p4p ahead of guys like Roy Jones and Holyfield while other fighters like Hamed + Tapia were ahead of Lennox Lewis. Now that Golden Boy is in charge of Ring Magazine the p4p rankings show extreme bias towards certain fighters. (putting Canelo in the top 10 p4p and listing him as the lineal 154 champ before Floyd beat him). Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill. Copy pasting rankings/records/statistics proves nothing if you don't put them in context. Doing so will not make paper champions (Hatton/Corrales/Ortiz/Judah) appear more legitimate.

Also remember - records don't mean everything - Brian Nielsen 64-3, rocky Marciano 49-0 joe calzaghe 45-1 (the Hopkins win was a robbery), Ricky hatton 45-3 better records statistically compared to guys like evander 44-10-2, Ali 56-5, roy jones 57-8, b hopkins 54-6-2 even though they couldn't hold a candle to these fighters. Floyds 45-0 (actual 44-1 because of Castillo) is a padded record and does not legitimize him as an all time great

 

His opposition became routinely better after he left Top Rank.

Besides, when would a victory over Clottey ever be anything relevant? Being a top 5 WW wasn't enough for guys like Ortiz or Guerrero who, so far, have gone on to do little since. What had Clottey done to make himself worthy of facing the elite of the elite?

What was the highest Clottey ever was rated? I can tell you: 5th, right after the razor close Cotto fight.

And Margarito. Oh yeah, I've asked a million times for a month and year in which that fight was seen as desired and possible AND Margarito wasn't fresh off a defeat OR before he became a highly ranked guy... I'll wait.

As for Cotto, when he faced Floyd in 2012, he said in an interview that in 2006 when both were with Top Rank that he declined a fight offer from Floyd because "we weren't ready for Floyd then. We are ready for him now." -Miguel Cotto.

So yeah. Troll harder; your current form isn't good enough.