Ok, Pacman's NOT an ATG! His last 11 fights DO NOT IMPRESS ME!

the way pac fights is impressive

its the opponents he fights who arent up to scratch



i feel manny could well be an high ATG

but thanks to his choice in opponents we'll never know

 

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slap your head all you want enzo, but you know deep down i'm right :good

 

Pac is clearly the man right now, the face of boxing.

 

they could not have the face to bash pac using their old accounts so they just made new ones and sometimes not one but 2 or 3 and pretend that many of them have the same bull**** opinons.

 

ok radab, list the alternate 11 opponents that pac should have fought instead.

 

****in-ell radad you still on the "WEED":rasta

 

well the way he bypassed the then stacked lightweight division was very disappointing

but the problem with pacquiao is that by the time he got to a lot of guys - morales, hatton, de la hoya - they were all effectively finished as fighters. if either of those 3 guys were prime, manny would either have lost - or if he'd won he would have gotten a TON of credit for doind so

maybe its not pac's fault so much - it's just the timing of everything


lets look at his next fight - miguel cotto. now if manny had gotten to cotto before margarito did, it would have been an unbelievable war. it may well still be - hopefully it will. but in reality cotto simply doesnt look the same guy as pre margo. maybe he is - time will tell - but i can guarantee you that if manny just wipes him out, then there's something seriously wrong with cotto - shot if you like

now i know pre margo, cotto was too big for manny - but that goes back to the whole timing thing again. its not mannys fault - but time has dictated that once again manny might end up facing a shot version of a once great fighter


manny arrived too late to get involved in the epic barrera morales series - again, no fault of his own, but nontheless he still arrives when the once great warriors are past their sell by date (well morales anyway)


hatton too - in hattons prime he was WAY bigger than manny. no one could have sxpected then to fight then. but when the time came along that they did fight - hatton was finished. and to try and claim otherwise is a total insult to ricky hatton


i aint even gonna mention oscar here


and i wont bring up marquez either


the other opponents were talking about were jorge solis and oscar larios - middle of the road fighters, no better



thats what you pacfans have to realise - that time has dictated that manny wont be in the ring at the same time as these great fighters were in fact great, and because of that, he resume is indeed hollow


its not a dig at manny - it just is what it is

 

:-(


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the typical in-depth response of a ******* :good

 

I'am with yer as regards 2 Cotto who IMO will overcome Pacquiao, if it goes the 12 rounds then the winner will be "who's best 4 Vegas":deal

Consider Hatton insulted

 

If Cotto isn't shot, he will give pac one hell of a fight, just like he did Mosley, Judah and Margarito. No way in hell would anyone wipe the floor with that guy. So if some how pac does do so, then its clear as day that Cotto's shot


As for Pac Hatton - what the hell are you talking about? i said right from the offset that it was a total mismatch at this stage in Hatton's career :-(

 

Sure, my mind changed a few times for the fight. Why dont you go and drag up the majority of my pre fight comments cause i cant be arsed, but since youve been through my drawers so to speak, you know very well what my main stance on the fight was, as do most regulars i talked to about it

 

stacked lightweight division? heck, most believe that it was one of the weakest lightweight division in years unitl pac and jmm arrived. look at who are the champions when they arrived, casa who looked terrible against santa cruz and katsidis, campbell who did a good job against jaun diaz but not much anything else and david diaz who at least had beaten santa cruz fair and square. juan diaz was not a champion anymore when pac and jmm moved up. so if i would pick if which is a better legacy fight than juan diaz and camayor, hatton (alone) and oscar are hands-down the bigger wins not to mention the bigger money fights.

many are giving pac ton's of credit fo beating morales and hatton. pac had fought morales when he was still somewhat green (skillwise) and was moving up in weight. pac was also moving-up in weight against oscar and hatton was undefeated at 140 when pac got there. if oscar had beaten hopkins, would you not give credit to DLH just because hopkins was too old back then?

you like to use the word shot when it suits your agenda. labelling cotto shot while just because he had a close fight with clottey? so did you label margo shot then because he also had a somewhat close fight with clottey also?

they are 29 back then and barrera was inside the top 3 and morales was still inside the top 10 best in the world when pac first fought them. would it be better if pac fought valero and guzman instead of them? and since you said that mab and morales was past their sell by date, would you not give cotto some credit if he beats pac now? pac is already 30 years old and had his fair share of wars with morales and jmm. pac is now at a stage where mab and morales where when pac beat them.

its too simple for you hardcore hatton fans eh? so you still believe that the ricky of the kostya fight would beat pac?

why? this two are both fantastic wins for pacquiao. tell me who should have pac fought instead of them by that time?

so you are now looking down on someone like oscar larios? the guy is a very good champion and has a victory over vazquez. when someone like pac takes a tune-up fight in the caliber of larios and solis, you know that he is not slacking off.

so tell me, did you consider pac's age when he met all this folk's up? pac was just 19 when he became a world champ. 24 when he beats barrera, 25 against jmm and 26 against morales. he did not even peaked-up physically until the morales fight. pac's resume is a as good as it gets. only critics like yourself fail to see what is not special about the guy.

 

Like i said, it depends what Cotto is like - we dont know if he's shot or not, but if he's not, Manny wont wipe him out

I cant be consistent on this cause i dont know what Cotto is like as a fighter. He looked great up to Margo, but not looked so good since

I cant do anything but wait and see

The only point i can say is that if he isnt shot, then no way in hell Manny would destroy him