Ok this is why Beterbiev is more effective than the eye test

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The eye test for fans and analysts who place a lot of emphasis on technique and skills tend to rate Beterbiev as an unremarkable basic fighter. Now hes not a wizard technician, but hes better than given credit for. Hes definitely not Oleksandr Usyk in the skills department, but hes not Shawn Porter either.

    So why is he so devastating and effective in the ring? It's his physical strength. Hes that damn strong.

    To give an example, I wrestled in high school. Ok, not exactly world level combat sports, but in my hundreds of matches I did come across one kid who had freakish strength for the weight class. Even when I got to a favorable position from a technique standpoint my shots would just get blocked and negated through sheer physical strength. He was so strong that I was unable to execute any of the moves that I had learned.

    That's Beterbiev at world level boxing. He renders technique useless and less effective through physicality.

    Andre Ward said it best. "Usually I like a guy to have multiple dimensions to win a fight, but Beterbiev hes different. Physically hes strong, hes a hard man". Take from a former LHW champ. He understands why a guy who may look so basic from a technical standpoint has been able to become arguably the most dominant fighter in the world.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    All across this country there are dad-bodied men from 25-35 who go to their local gym to hit the heavy bag, learn up on boxing technique and dance around the ring shadow boxing working on their footwork. Nothing wrong with that. Exercise is good for the body and brain. ****, more people need to be doing it considering how fat we are, but I digress.

    The point is they see a relatively basic fighter like Beterbiev and say to themselves hes not all that special. I train, I know technique, hes as basic as me, hell I look more skilled than he is.

    Then they step in the ring and realize like virtually all world class fighters that hes a piece of iron. And Beterbiev is a piece of iron among all the other pieces of iron.

    Lol, people underestimate the ruggedness of professional fighters. We all think we are badasses on here. Trust me compared to a guy like Beterbiev who is the alpha badass among a group of the most badass men in the world. It takes more than technique to get it done fellas.
     
  3. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    Someone call a doctor. We need help removing tinman's tounge from Beterbiev's backside.
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He stops Canelo inside 6. You know it and I know it.
     
  5. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    Maybe he does. It's just I find it weird when a grown man speaks about another man like that. Sounds like you love the dude. Would you buy his used jockstrap if you could?
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, I am deeply in love with the sport of boxing and I'm posting on a forum populated by the world's most passionate boxing fans. If my passion for boxing is too much for your too cool for school hipster attitude then I'd suggest avoiding my threads or putting me on ignore.
     
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  7. Potwash

    Potwash The Real Untouchables Full Member

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    I'm deeply in love with the sport, just not men. It's all good.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    What's wrong with men:naughty2:
     
  9. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Cutting analysis right there. And here we were thinking he was just an oversized Malignaggi
     
  10. ericdprince

    ericdprince New Member Full Member

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    I agree with Ward. When I fought amateur boxing, there were always 1 or 2 guys in the regional circuit in my weight class that no one wanted to fight. not because of their skill, just the strength of the mofo made you stay on your toes and sapped the energy out of you with each hit. Its much easier to figure out how to beat an opponent with more wrinkles to their game than it is to know you can't do anything but try to outlast or out-slug a brute.
     
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  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brute sometimes is very smart.
    While people in forums not rare cases post that Beterbiev and Foreman didn't had skills, I do no agree.
    Beterbiev was good ammy, not a superstar, still very experienced boxer. Yeah, he had lost vs Usyk and there people usually does mention Usyk's skills as a reason.
    Prime Usyk for me was more close to ammy Usyk, he was unusually agile for his size and not only skilled.
    For pros Usyk I think peaked 10 th pro fight and till 2 fights : vs Briedis in his prime and vs injury free Gassiev.

    Foreman isn't usually called as very skilled but he was Olympic Gold medalist and supposedly unskilled Beterbiev had 1 gold and 1 silver medal at World Championships and also 2 euro continental championships Gold medals. Guys in forums are calling him as unskilled while boxers avoided to fight with him until he turned 36 y.o.
     
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  12. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Beterbiev was able to get better fights years ago, I doubt anyone would call him "basic". Management issues and injuries (getting older) shortened his potentially great career.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    This and I remember people were debating who would win between Pirog and Golovkin. And there were a lot of people picking Pirog and then me and some others quickly reminded the guys that GGG would just run over Pirog like a tank crushing an eggshell.

    The point I'm trying to make is these guys think because they have a couple ammy fights or hit the heavy bag down at their local gym that all it takes is some flashy skills to become a world champ. Nope.
     
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  14. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only children and immature teenagers speak like you.
     
  15. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, between amateur and pro boxing there is a big difference and there is big reason why lads usually attempt to be great amateurs.
    For a pro career usually there are 2 roads for A side guy: being good amateur picked up by impactful manager and promoter or LONG road.
    In pro ranks a lot depends from money, this isn't amateur championship.
    To get opponents, they should agree, their team, gym, managers, if they have also promoter, this too.
    You should bring in money or someone who will invest in you for this.
    You maybe are good tickets seller and might provide enough income till some level. Maybe superstar in amateurs with big sign up bonuses.

    Pro boxing: there a lot of methods to avoid fight with opponent. It is career job as business.

    Yeah, If you are very good in local gym, this does mean this level. Nothing wrong, this is cool.
    To be the same amateur world champ: there are xxx experienced clubs, xx countries and huge number of lads who dream to get in this championship, also Games of course. You should be enough good even to get allowed to compete there, not alone to get some medal.