Old Foreman vs Wlad Klitschko

Not reaching. You're wrong and I'm correcting you.

No - you do (given that you couldn't even remember the result, correctly). It was a good stoppage so, not sure what you're reaching for.

 

Who was like Tommy Morrison and Axel Schulz.

Bottom line Wlad faced far superior competition than Foreman did in his Comeback. I would also argue that Wlad didn’t hit his full stride until a couple of fights in with Steward. Fury fight Wlad at 39 after being on top for 11 years.

Povetkin, Pulev, Haye, Byrd, Thompson, Peter, Chambers, Ibrigamov, >>> Quawi, Cooper, Moorer, Savarese, Stewart,

And it’s not close.

Also keep in mind Wlad faced all comers. He didn’t avoid Tony Tucker or rematches with Axel Schulz and strategically miss the top 5 guys during his era like Bowe, Tyson, Lewis as Foreman did.

Can you at least admit that.

 

Why would Foreman need to? Sanders, Brewster, Fury and Joshua hadn't before they all beat Wlad.

You can aggrandize Wlad's reign all you like. It was conducted within a Heavyweight division, which is the shallowest it has been in living memory and, when you have to bring David Haye into the list of Wlad's best wins, you should surely realize this.

 

Actually Haye was considered a top threat. But it’s funny you couldn’t even admit Wlad’s run was so much better than Foreman’s comeback and it’s clear to a blind man. Sorry you have an agenda and it’s not working.

 

I think the point I've made is that it doesn't matter (although I can't help but notice you omit Holyfield from Foreman's list). I stand by the points I raised from the outset of this discussion.

Wlad was easy to get unraveling, if his opposition could put any form of realistic assault together. The game but mediocre Peter demonstrated that.

Even a 40-Something Foreman had helluva lot more to offer than Peter (or Haye, or Chambers, or Ibragimov, etc etc). Indeed, I'd say Foreman had an armory to provide a shedload of concern for Wlad. And so, Wlad would need to get an early knockout of Foreman to secure a win.

 

I omitted Holyfield because Foreman lost to him. Just as I omitted Fury Joshua etc because Wlad lost to them. Sorry that point was lost on you.
I’m also sorry that you don’t realize the difference in competition the men faced. I happen to believe Ibragimov would easily outbox the comeback Foreman for one. He handled Holyfield and Briggs with ease. But to each their own

 

Any K brothers thread triggers the usual K bros apologists.

Fact: WK was iced by absolute ham and eggers several times in embarrassing fashion, to his credit he was a diligent athlete who always came in shape and he respected the belts outside of the Ring but he is and never will be a natural fighter, he panics under pressure, guys like Tyson/Bowe/Lewis/Foreman bring the heat WK is unable to with stand, he has to think to let his hands go, those fighters make him fight on instinct which results into a guaranteed KO loss for him.

Just for reference, Brewster made WK fold with ONE body punch and ONE hook after WK shot his wad.......it was all downhill from there......he fell apart like in the Purrity fight because Brewster did not give him ANY breathing room and refused to quit despite eating major flak......the Foreman showdown will go similar except Foreman is not hitting the deck.

 

You can stop with the "agenda" BS. If you haven't realized it already, before you tried to turn this debate into boxrec derby, others had considered what an actual fight between the two boxers in question might look like.

Your constant reference to records has no real bearing on that; especially since the record of Wlad, save the longevity, is not all that amazing, in terms of the level of opposition he faced.

As I've alluded to before, Foreman's effort against Holyfield is better than anything Wlad's opposition was able to show up with. And, Sanders, Brewster, Fury and Joshua didn't need stellar records to go on an beat Wlad, did they?

 

Wlad would leave him hospitalized for several days.

 

You didn't make a point so how could it be lost on me. You seem to change the list of people you want to include and exclude in your boxrec argument, from post-to-post.

Each to their own, indeed; since the Holyfield and Briggs that Ibragimov faced were 16 and 10 years older, respectively, than the versions that Foreman faced. Was the the sheer scale of the time difference too much for you to work out, as part of your boxrec journey?

 

Don’t get upset and all defensive because you can’t admit Wlad faced better opposition than comebacking Foreman. Which you still haven’t addressed. Foreman was carefully matched in his comeback Wlad was not, Foreman didn’t want to face the big guys or the big hitters (save for Morrison who beat him) Wlad was both. Wlad’s jab and athleticism wins the fight for me. But as i’ve Said to each their own.

 

Oh sure - I'm mortified because your argument is just impeccable.

I have addressed your case. You're either being purposely ignorant or you are genuinely as daft as a brush with no bristles.

 

Is English your first language? Are you not reading my posts properly? I'll ask 1 final time.

HOW DOES WLAD KEEP FOREMAN AT BAY FOR 12 ROUNDS WITH A JAB IF FLAT FOOTED BREWSTER, A D-LEVEL JOURNEYMAN WITH 12 LOSSES PURRITY, AN OUT OF SHAPE SANDERS, AND A FAT SLOB LIKE PETER GOT PAST IT?

If you think wladmir can literally keep foreman at the end of his jab for all 12 rounds without ever being in trouble then you obviously think the guys who got past his jab were better than Foreman! You can't have it both ways!

 

The real question is: How does Foreman deal with eating power shots from the biggest puncher he'd ever seen when much lighter punchers had not only KD his ass but also KHTFO, is the question.

Sometimes I wonder if Wlad's detractors actually ever watch him box.

Wlad's jab is merely the cherry on the cake of a highly thought out system that is built around size and footwork that Foreman never saw in his life before.

The real keep-you-****ing-honest punches are his straight power punches that shake guys to their boots and make them rethink trying to bore in on Wlad recklessly. He forces guys to play his game. Pulev found out about trying to bumrush Wlad, and he's still trying to sweep up the crumbs of his shattered confidence.

There's this idea around that all you have to do is land one good punch on Wlad and he crumbles. What a fallacy that is. Yeah, he doesn't have a top-shelf chin, but he's solid enough to have gone a decade without a loss fighting the best there was. And Wlad always gets back up to fight on.

Frankly I think Brewster, Peter and Purrity give old Foreman all he can handle and I'll pick Sanders to not only win over old Foreman, but to win in style.

 

That's a pretty dramatic summation. Foreman was stopped once in his life and that was by the GOAT. It was an accumulation/exhaustion stoppage and he was on his feet fractionally after the 10 count.

This was also early Foreman, old Foreman (per the thread) was more conservative and not so prone to gassing and indeed never stopped.