Old George Foreman or Butterbean? Punching Power

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  1. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Forget boxing ability or all-time rankings.....Just punch for punch. Who hit harder, George Foreman(career #2) or Butterbean?????
     
  2. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No comparison. Foreman.
     
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  3. Tyson 2005

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    Foreman.....

    Is this serious?
     
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  4. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Foreman.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the Bean can bang, but I don't think he's as strong.
     
  5. Tyson 2005

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    Yea, Butterbean has a nice punch and all, but George could knock down trees with his punches...
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    This thread is asking the obsurd.

    Foreman, even in a nursing home would always hit harder than Butterbean. His power was tested against much better fighters, yet he still had a higher win/ko percentage. Even the worst of journeyman who Foreman fought were better than some of Bean's best opponents. I am not joking when I say that Ken Lakusta would have my vote to beat Butterbean. He was nothing more than a novelty, who's name and image received undue recognition.
     
  7. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think it's a valid question. Butterbean was a crappy boxer but the guy could really bang. I agree with you about Butterbean's skills and quality of opposition - they were atrocious! But as the thread title pointed out, this has to do with pure punching power, and nothing else. A fighter doesn't have to be very skilled or accomplished in order to qualify as a big puncher. Some guys can really punch but do little else.
     
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  8. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman.

    Butterbean wasn't/isn't that hard of a puncher - his deceptive handspeed was always his best attribute.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    As I already stated, I would not rate Eric Esch's power as being even remotely on par with Foreman's. Yes, he could punch, but scoring a bunch of first round knockouts over men who's records were around 3-5, 0-1, 2-4, etc, means nothing. In the rare instance that he stepped up and fought someone who was around 20-18, he either lost, drew or was taken the distance. Despite having the luxery of feasting on shear tomato cans, he still only knocked out 58 of his 77 opponents, whereas Foreman KO'd 68 out of 76. That's a significant difference in ratio, considering that Foreman's comp was infinately better. In addition, Foreman's power came from a combination of real strength paired with proven punching technique. Esch's power was generated through hurling mere fat ass gerth.

    The two do not compare.
     
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  10. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you are drastically overrating old Foreman's power. Foreman has such a high knockout ratio because he fought so many tomato cans, especially in his second career. He went 24-0-23 leading up to his fight with Holyfield, and about 22 of those guys were bums. Don't forget that later in his comeback he went th distance with Crawford Grimsley and Lou Savarese, two fighters that got starched in their next fights after Foreman. Hell, Jimmy Thunder KO'D Grimsley right after Grimsley extended "Big Bad George"!

    And as far as punching power, it doesn't matter where it comes from. If a big fat guy hits just as hard or harder than a lean muscular guy, what difference does it make? Foreman was fat, Butterbean real fat! And Foreman's punch was overrated in career two. His reputation from the 70's followed him into the 90's, but he didn't have the same punch.

    Anyways, it was just a question. You favor George! great!
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Honestly Anthony, are listening to yourself? Foreman is the one who's being overrated here? Foreman is a concensus top 3 or 5 all time power hitter, and you're asking people if they feel Esch is on par with him, even in old age? Just because Bean was bald and crude in his style did not make him Earnie Shaver's brother.


    I would still pick most of those tomato cans and journeyman to take Esch the distance or even beat him. Christ, Butterbean couldn't even take fights with men like Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Steve Zouski, Tony Fulilangi, or Ken Lakusta unless it was scheduled for 4 freakin' rounds!! Hell, the 5 guys I just mentioned looked like Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Joe Frazier next to the kind of crap Butterbean fought.



    If you wish to proceed with the comparison of who fought the greater piece of ****, then I'll be happy to accomodate you. Name one fighter who Bean beat that was better than say, Mike Jameson? Hell, a man like addilson Rodriguez who was a ranked contender when Foreman iced him in two rounds, would kill Butterbean.


    Crawford Grimsley and Lou Savarese would have no problems going 4 rounds with Beanfart, and if the fight went 5, Bean would be eating his lunch off the floor.


    But, the point is, Bean does NOT hit as hard as Foreman, and there is a reason why he doesn't. True strength and true skill are what makes a real all time great hitter........NOT MILK DUDS........



    No doubt about it, but he still knocked the livin' **** out of people who would have no trouble surviving the poster boy for Krispy cream.

    Finally something in this post we can agree on.
     
  12. Rock0052

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    Bean can punch, but he usually has to wind up to do it. Foreman looked like he wasn't even trying to go all out in half his knockouts. Gotta go with Foreman on this one.
     
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  13. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I only started talking about Foreman's opposition after you used Foreman's KO percentage and quality of opposition to bolster your assertion that Foreman hit harder than Butterbean. As I said in my original post, forget boxing skill or all-time ranking. YOu seem to be thinking that I'm saying Butterbean is/was a better fighter than Foreman or that he had better skill. I have no doubts that Butterbean would lose to a great deal of Foreman's opponents during his comeback - I never said he wouldn't. And I never said I thought Butterbean hit harder, but it was just a food for though question. I didn't mean to ignite so many land mines from the Foreman cheerleading section!
     
  14. Russell

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    People do seem to underrated Esch's power because of what a joke he is in other aspects...

    But hey. Different strokes.
     
  15. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly! It's not like I asked people to compare the punching power of George Foreman and Chris Byrd.

    And it still amazes me that Holmes could finish a fight with Butterbean with a swollen eye. No matter how old and decrepit Larry Holmes is, you would think he'd have enough of a jab to prevent a fighter like Bean, with his 70-inch reach or whatever, from catching him at all.