Old George Foreman vs. HW Roy Jones

Roy Jones has absolutely no shot to win this fight. All George has to do is hit and hold one time, and Jones should be on ***** street. It could be a loaded jab or a short arm punch, I don't care, George Foreman landing leather on the chin of Roy Jones is a scary thing to imagine. Ref better stop it the moment Roy stumbles round the ring.

If George was not allowed feverishly to use any dirty tactics, I believe Jones has a solid chance to outbox him for a UD. As it is, it's just too steep of a gambit.

 

Once again you just provoked a response. You never responded to my apology I sent on May 3rd. I will take it as a sign as we are no longer friends. In fact, I will hold this grudge against you.

 

Actually I sent you a long PM 1 week 1/2 ago. IT IS IN MY SENTBOX so Its confirmed. It was a long sincere apology message. Obviousely for some odd reason you did not get it. However, After reading this message, I now understand your true Character. Therefore, I do not think I am going to repost and resend it to you, and I will withdraw my apology all together.

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"Magoo,

I would just like to say I am extremley sorry for the choice of words that I said. I was in the middle of a heated arguement with my parents that morning, and I unwisely and unexusably took out all my frustrations out on you, after your comments. It was a horrible thing to do and say, and I know there is nothing I can do to take away my words, but I hope someday you will find it in your heart to forgive me for saying something not only did I not mean, but for going way out of character. I hope this doesn't end a friendship, and I hope we can continue to discuss boxing for years to come on this forum peacefully.


Thanks for the Invite, and I would love nothing more to do than have lunch with you, but tomorrow I have to fly back to Massachusets for a follow up appointment with my special orthopedic when I injured my ankle badly back in january during training...But when I go back to Chicago, I will defintley hit you up."


best regards,

Nick Gamble

* Now the entire forum gets to see. You and your true character. Go out for lunch? Was that just you sandbagging trying to lure me in because its clear from that response you did not really want to take me out for lunch and make peace. its quite clear. since you never responded to my apology and then sent me a re-threat.

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This is not relevant to the question of Tyson vs Foreman at all, since the thing here is that even though Tyson is a more talented fighter, he matches up badly in a stylistic sense with Foreman. Comparing wins and performances directly like this is shooting past the issue.

Tyson has to wade into that. Foreman can absorb hellish blows, is mentally strong (in his comeback) and will not take a step backward. Tyson can only fight forward. Logical conclusion is that for a large part of the fight, Mike Tyson will stand in front of George Foreman, and they will have a contest of who can deliver and catch better. Tyson dwarfs Foreman in speed, but in power, durability, mental toughness and confidence, Foreman has a significant edge imo.

 

I dont think people understand just how deadly a puncher tyson was. I dont care how good foremans chin was...When Mike Tyson lands a 3-4 punch combination flush on foremans big noggin....Big George will go down and OUT! just like larry did. Foreman was stunned badly by michael moorer. he can be hurt.

 

its like running with a lighted match in the dark through 12 kerosene soaked army tents
will you see the end of 12. Possibly but not likely

 

come on lads its a boxing forum just keep the peace. SUzy if Mr Magoo never got your PM through no fault of each other its obviously a mistake so i think it is a bit harsh to withdraw the apology. You 2 are 2 good posters so keep it that way before people lose respect.

 

To those saying that Foreman will knock out Jones with the first jab that lands, when did he show this devastating power during his comeback?

Here are some facts surrounding this issue:
1. Of the three ranked opponents that Foreman fought, two went the distance and two were known for having a very weak jaw.

2. Of the 7 high-profile matches he had, only 1 did NOT go the distance. Many of those were against mediocre opponents. If his fists could move brick walls, then why did he KO less of this bunch than even a relatively light hitter would?

3. Of the same number of fights, many were either losses or very
close/disputable wins. Here is a list:

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All of this is irrelevant Chris. Your point is ostensibly about average fighters but it is actually about average heavyweight fighters.

There are only a select few MW ATGs that have proven that they are exceptional in beating bigger men. Jones has not, Ruiz notwithstanding. The idea that great small men can beat good big men is not operating here. Foreman is too big. Too powerful.

This is about heavyweight frames. Jones would be hanging on like a drunk to a lamp post if Foreman lands one of those jabs he landed on Gerry Cooney. And that's if his brain stem didn't dislodge from the top of his spine.

And to answer your question, Foreman was not a Hearns' like shock-puncher. He never really was. He was a clubber. Slower shots hurt and stun but mean less clear KOs. When he got older he got slower, sure, but he can throw a looping hook on Roy's arm and Roy is going to be sideways. Frames. It's about frames. Roy can't survive Foreman for 12 rounds.

 

I never received your message, and in fact was wondering if you had gotten mine. I don't know why that happened, sometimes the PM function of the forum does not always work. That said, I sincerely apologize and accept your own apology. If you are ever in town again, the offer for lunch or dinner still stands.

Patrick Muscia
Peace.

 

And Jones proved himself a level above average heavyweight fighters.

If we're talking about MW's beating skilled 220lbs men then there may be none at all. Byrd started over the middleweight limit, Toney's only win over a ranked heavyweight was a 42 year old, shoulder injury Holyfield and Jones has one win over Ruiz. Guys like Greb, Moore and Charles and others were competing with 180-190lbs heavyweights, the same size of fighters that Jones dominated for 7 years in the lightheavyweight division.

Where do you get the idea that Foreman is so uber powerful?? Like i stated before, during his comeback, he managed to score only one stoppage in 7 fights against good to mediocre opposition. If comebacking Foreman was so incredibly powerful, then he hid it well because his KO% against decent opponents translates to something else.

Frames, whatever. His clubbing power wasn't enough to stop most of his opponents during that time. Jones is quicker and more skilled than all of them so i think it's possible he goes the distance.

 

When talking about frames, Jones had a pretty filled out and a well muscled overbody as a HW, but the give away that this wasn't his natural weight was his spindly legs. If he had been put under proper pressure I think those legs would have betrayed him and he would have tired badly. Judging from how dead tired Holyfield was in the last round against Foreman, I'd say it's reasonable to think that Big George was a tiring man to meet (but he was of course even more exhausted himself at that point).

Jones was quicker than Holyfield, but didn't punch as hard and had those spindly legs while Holyfield had filled out nicely all over and was bigger and stronger than Jones. Foreman would be coming forward without any respect for Jones' counters, and Jones would tire more quickly than Holyfield. Sooner or later I think Foreman would get him.

Chris, I think it's along similar lines as your reasoning why an older, bulkier Holyfield did better against superheavies than the young trim Holy. And I think that Jones gave up more in strength, power and punch resistance to a Holyfield at 205 than that Holyfield gave up to an older Holy at 215.

 

all i'm going to say is, 1 punch from big george would leave roy in wonderland .

 

These are the words of a good man.

 

Does that make me a Needham Masshole? :scaredas: