Old George Foreman vs James Toney

Not the same guy who fought Holyfield.

 

True but Holyfield wasn't the same after the Bryd loss. Still a very good fighter but not elite anymore. His skills and toughness brought him more wins against decent competition I think you could argue old George fought better competition towards the end of his career.

 

Qawi landed some good stuff but looked past it for me. Head movement and volume were both greatly diminished and his shots were not affecting George the way they would have if Qawi were fresher in his career. George was taking mercy by the end, and felt bad and it only saw the middle rounds. His interview was something like thank god he's not hurt. But Qawi fought his ass off for 7 rds. That's how I saw it.

But yeah Toney would probably win this. George would not have found him enough to get Toney out of there. Morrison, Stewart, Schulz and to a lesser extent Holyfield all showed big holes in the game of old Foreman. Toney would give a hell of a beating to old George most likely, picking him apart and making him a mess by the end of it for a wide decision.

 

come on, that was a flash KD. Toney had not his balance there

 

Doesn't really matter. He was off balance cause Peter was trying to punch him in the face.

He was off balance against a guy who was bigger and stronger than he was. Both of which Foreman would be. He was a better more coordinated puncher than Peter ever was. So while it's hypothetical - if Sam Peter can score a KD, so possibly could Foreman.
James was a great defensive fighter but he did get dropped or hurt occasionally and he was always small for a heavyweight.
I'd expect it to be a relatively low-output fight James is going to move his head to avoid the big shots but if Foreman just decides to hit what he can. into center mass arms, shoulders I could see James catching something in an odd place and touching down however briefly.

 

This was a few years into his comeback, he was in his 40's so I dunno about your use of the word 'younger'.

 

90's Foreman (Boxer Puncher) vs Toney (slick counter puncher)

Power: Foreman
Speed: Toney
Chin: Foreman
Stamina: Toney
Footwork: Toney
Technique: Toney
Body shots: Foreman
Punch selection: Foreman
Ring IQ: Toney
Accuracy: Toney
Offense: Foreman
Defense: Toney
Heart: Even

7-1-5 advantage Toney

This is a fight that seems to favor Toney, but you have to look at the clash of styles and tale of the tape. Toney is giving up a significant amount in reach and height, and would look 3 weight classes smaller than the robust and heavier Foreman. Size doesn't win fights, but when your opponent is big glacier that doesn't respect your power and never stops walking you down, it can be very taxing.

Toney was a well rounded guy who didn't only fight off the back foot, he could stand right in front of a guy making him miss by inches then countering. He was also not shy about mixing things up at close or mid range. The problem is, Foreman even in the 90's was a very physical and rough fighter who would launch heavy jabs like cannonballs before throwing the big bombs with either hand. That sort of approach can mess with a counter puncher's preferred pace. Toney has the hand speed, technique, and skill to mix it up, but Foreman would not allow it and either pushes him back, or roughs him up with body shots.

Conclusion: Really hard to predict exactly how this fight would go. In the past I tried using Toney's bouts against Samuel Peter or Foreman's match with Holyfield. But Foreman was much more skilled than Peter and Toney would not be foolish enough to take as many risks as Holyfield. I think if Toney could find a way to deal with Foreman's jab, the story of the fight would be: Toney landing the frequent, clean punches with responsible defense while Foreman lands the more impactful but less frequent power shots. Gun to my head, an in shape and focused Toney takes a very close split decision in a bout with lots of action and some close rounds.

 

Foreman is about half a foot taller, has a longer reach, and would weigh about 35-40 lbs more than Toney, who peaked at 168.

Toney is one of the toughest MFs I’ve ever seen in the ring, and he would need it here. He would be taking shots from one of the heaviest handed guys ever, and that ramrod jab would be key. Foreman would not be too worried about Toney’s power either when he looks to counter.

Toney is just too small.

 

Foreman W via MD. Toney will have a lot of success in the bout with his handspeed & defense, but he will still be at a huge disadvantage in the following categories: size, strength, height, reach & power. He will not be able to hurt Foreman whatsoever. He also will be standing right in front of Foreman as he was never light on his feet past 160. Standing in front of Foreman regardless of how good your defense is is a VERY BAD idea. Toney is able to go the distance due to his good defence & chin, but he likely gets hurt or even dropped at some point, as Foreman's jab & unorthodox punches will catch him at times he least expects, as Foreman is creative in his punches.

 

Foreman decision.