Old heavyweights vs modern heavyweights

Better PEDs, physiotherapy and nutrition = more training = better technique.

If someone can train something twice as much as the other person, he will be better at that eventually even if less talented.

 

No matter how hard Carlos Takam trains, he'll never beat Povetkin.

 

In boxing, perhaps uniquely, the modern boxer is better conditioned - but less skilled.

 

How did someone convince you that Valuev would beat Lennox Lewis?

 

That was a troll thread of mine. Passive aggressive venting.

 

So when i questioned someone for stating ( DagoWop ) that Lewis would be more effective at 6'0 tall than 6'5 with my own thread you yell BAN...but you post crap thread crap like this..." Lewis has never fought anyone this big,Valuv by k.O"

Valuev ko within 5 rounds. thats o.k ?

 

Depends. Most old time heavyweights pre Sonny Liston were too small to beat Lewis, Klitschko, and Bowe outside of a puncher's chance, but the game has changed.

Old timers had better stamina and more heart. In a 15 round format with lighter gloves, the best old timers have a shot.

 

Yep.

Passive aggressive trolling, that's what it was.

Lewis clearly destroys Valuev regardless of the fact he is the smaller man.

 

The short answer is its impossible to say. One can say Valuev can't beat Lewis. That's most likely true but it doesn't prove anything. Of course size helps. It's not everything but it helps.

There are literally too many factors to be able to sort out. For example, Dempsey was a small but tough and aggressive heavyweight. His life circumstances made him that way. If he was born in the 90s he'd probably be a flabby 20 something year old living in his mom's basement playing video games (as I suspect many on this board are).

 

Why do you assume that Jack Dempsey would follow your example in being overweight, living in a basement and playing video games?

 

Nice try. Not close.

 

It's not such a far out suggestion. People act like Marciano is sacred, and untouchable, the last great White/Italian American boxing champ. He reigned over the weakest heavyweight division in history. His best wins are three shop worn past it fighters who would have whooped his arse if they were a couple years younger. 38 year old Jersey Joe Walcott, 37 year old Joe Louis, 32 year old 175 pounder Ezzard Charles. Add the fact that he got put on the canvas by 85 year old 175 pounder Archie Moore. Guys aged in the ring way quicker back then as well. In current age those guys would be 48, 47, and 42, and Moore would be 105 years old.

So for someone to say Adonis Stevenson would beat that slow plodding guy, it's within the realm of possibility, but I'd favor Marciano. Now if someone said that prime Roid Jones, would whoop Marciano's arse. He would. That sh!t wouldn't even be fair. I'd take the Hopkins that beat Tarver over him as well.

 

If you want to take an all time great fighter from a past generation and place him in a mythical fight with a modern heavy he would theoretically have good chance to win. But if he had to go through a number of modern heavyweights to get here he would never make it. Take Joe Louis my favorite heavyweight. I can't see him beating Vitali, Wlad, Povetkin, Takam, Joshua etc too much size and strength conditioning to make a run through all of them today. Big men are better skilled than yester year. However he would have chance one on one.
Now in the lighter divisions where their is a weight cap. It gets interesting. Guys seem more skillful from yester year than many from today. However today guys have nutritionists, they don't smoke or drink. They weight train. It's an interesting trade off from loss of craft to improvement in training.

 

You have some real good points but even where there is a weight cap it is not apples to apples. The idea of a canelo-weight guy walking into the ring pushing 180 is fairly recent phenomenon. A tony Zale, ... would have expected to enter the ring within a pound or two of their weighin weight.

Once again modern nutrition, training methods and rules have changed the game a bit even at the lighter weight classes.