Old Man Foreman was the better version

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  1. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. He was much slower in his second incarnation. Young George would stop Moorer early and would ko Tommy Morrison
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    :lol:

    I could just imagine the first caveman he come across ending up with his leg bone in hand, chewing away happily.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    You should list all your 147 pound fighters that would best Sugar Ray Robinson, from a whopping 75 years ago. The list should be huge given you've got 75 years of boxing evolution at your fingertips.

    We should try 135 pound Roberto Duran too, from around 77-78. Almost 50 years of boxing improvement to play with. Duran would be lucky to make sparring partner status for these guys now.
     
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  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    There's no such thing as 135 or 147 anymore.

    On the offchance you actually intended your post to be serious, here, have a @NoNeck response:

    It's telling that the examples chosen were the absolute best a century and a half of gloved boxing had to offer. As if Robinson and Duran were somehow the norm.

    Anyway, fortunately, this thread is about heavyweights @JohnThomas1. Specifically, the Foremans. So we don't need to derail it with your speculations about Robinson versus the 155+ pound welterweights.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    My post was dead serious.

    Given we are talking a period of 75 years throwing up the non linear excuse is decidedly lame.

    I offered up two of the greatest and gave you 50 and 75 years of improvement to choose from. What's telling is that you can't select a single name and have to, yet again, default to the good old heavyweight excuse. Boxing is boxing, it doesn't just improve in one division over 75 years bud.

    You should have noticed i refrained from using welterweight or lightweight, but it seems you didn't. Welterweights weren't 155+ for decades after Robinson retired. If you think the lightweights that compete in recent re-hydrating decades were about 147 in ring then by all means use them. That's exactly why i nominated weights.

    If you think i am derailing the thread then by all means hit that lil report button.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Active Member Full Member

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    I say let's derail it, it has about as much value as 25 year old women have to Leonardo DiCaprio.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    :lol:
     
  8. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Improved performances in other sports often involve factors that go beyond the sheer attributes, preparations and skills of the athlete.

    Better apparatus, apparel and overall improved environment are all part of the equation also.

    Is boxing not one of the least affected by the aforementioned factors?

    There is also the question of PED usage which doesn’t constitute itself as a legitimate component of the argument for evolved preparation and technique.

    Did old Foreman ever absorb the type of power that Young Foreman possessed?

    Young Foreman also knew how to use his jab very well - see the Chuvalo fight.

    As early as 1970 that jab was rightfully being compared to the quality of Joe Louis’.

    Old George just might steer well clear of Young George anyway. :D
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Is that actually Leo’s legit limit?

    See, even DiCap knows that younger is better than older. :lol:
     
  10. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We're not discussing the evolution of the sport as much as the evolution of human beings. A forty year old does not have the same reflexes, eyesight, and coordination as a twenty four year old.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    You have no idea what evolution means if you think a point was made.
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think younger old Foreman is a different animal than older old Foreman. (Morrison/Shulz) and possibly would find a way to beat older young Foreman (of Young, say — that’s Jimmy Young, not to be confused with younger young Foreman).
     
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  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Human evolution doesn't evolve in the course of a generation. There is such a thing as reversion to the mean. That's why we're not ten feet tall.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    It’s evolution of the sport, part of which means drawing from bigger athletic heavyweights, many of whom wouldn’t have even been competing as pros in past generations.
     
  15. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    And yet we have the Lilliputian Usyk sitting atop the highly “evolved” heap. :D