Old Man Foreman was the better version

I could just imagine the first caveman he come across ending up with his leg bone in hand, chewing away happily.

 

You should list all your 147 pound fighters that would best Sugar Ray Robinson, from a whopping 75 years ago. The list should be huge given you've got 75 years of boxing evolution at your fingertips.

We should try 135 pound Roberto Duran too, from around 77-78. Almost 50 years of boxing improvement to play with. Duran would be lucky to make sparring partner status for these guys now.

 

My post was dead serious.

Given we are talking a period of 75 years throwing up the non linear excuse is decidedly lame.

I offered up two of the greatest and gave you 50 and 75 years of improvement to choose from. What's telling is that you can't select a single name and have to, yet again, default to the good old heavyweight excuse. Boxing is boxing, it doesn't just improve in one division over 75 years bud.

You should have noticed i refrained from using welterweight or lightweight, but it seems you didn't. Welterweights weren't 155+ for decades after Robinson retired. If you think the lightweights that compete in recent re-hydrating decades were about 147 in ring then by all means use them. That's exactly why i nominated weights.

If you think i am derailing the thread then by all means hit that lil report button.

 

I say let's derail it, it has about as much value as 25 year old women have to Leonardo DiCaprio.

 

Improved performances in other sports often involve factors that go beyond the sheer attributes, preparations and skills of the athlete.

Better apparatus, apparel and overall improved environment are all part of the equation also.

Is boxing not one of the least affected by the aforementioned factors?

There is also the question of PED usage which doesn’t constitute itself as a legitimate component of the argument for evolved preparation and technique.

Did old Foreman ever absorb the type of power that Young Foreman possessed?

Young Foreman also knew how to use his jab very well - see the Chuvalo fight.

As early as 1970 that jab was rightfully being compared to the quality of Joe Louis’.

Old George just might steer well clear of Young George anyway.

 

Is that actually Leo’s legit limit?

See, even DiCap knows that younger is better than older.

 

We're not discussing the evolution of the sport as much as the evolution of human beings. A forty year old does not have the same reflexes, eyesight, and coordination as a twenty four year old.

 

You have no idea what evolution means if you think a point was made.

 

I think younger old Foreman is a different animal than older old Foreman. (Morrison/Shulz) and possibly would find a way to beat older young Foreman (of Young, say — that’s Jimmy Young, not to be confused with younger young Foreman).

 

Human evolution doesn't evolve in the course of a generation. There is such a thing as reversion to the mean. That's why we're not ten feet tall.

 

It’s evolution of the sport, part of which means drawing from bigger athletic heavyweights, many of whom wouldn’t have even been competing as pros in past generations.

 

And yet we have the Lilliputian Usyk sitting atop the highly “evolved” heap.

 

Saying nothing at all about how he managed to become that size, he's larger than Foreman in the 1970s.

 

In some match ups he probably is a better fighter, I don’t think Old Foreman would nearly be KO’d in a brawl with Ron Lyle, I don’t think Young Foreman survives against Holyfield - Young Foreman however likely beats Stewart, Moorer and Morrison fast.