Old Man Foreman was the better version

Saying nothing at all about how he managed to become that size, he's larger than Foreman in the 1970s.

 

In some match ups he probably is a better fighter, I don’t think Old Foreman would nearly be KO’d in a brawl with Ron Lyle, I don’t think Young Foreman survives against Holyfield - Young Foreman however likely beats Stewart, Moorer and Morrison fast.

 

Foreman was actually naturally larger, including frame and height, than Usyk.

Foreman drained his weight early in his career.

Foreman of the 70s?

Prior to his first retirement, Foreman at just 26/27 yo was weighing as much as 233 lbs or so and looking fine at that weight.

I guess even at that high end weight, Foreman still got pipped at the post by the “larger” 233 1/2 lb Galento who fought Louis.

Usyk’s oft referenced weight for the purposes of undue comparison is always his absolute top out weight reached only when well into his 30s.

But, the original point actually was that the relative Lilliputian, Usyk, comfortably sits atop the “evolved” heap of much larger SHWs.

A smaller Mike Tyson for a time also sat atop mainly much larger opposition for a period of time.

 

Ah, I forgot. Usyk's supremely conditioned 226 needs to be rounded down whereas Foreman's peak weight of 217 to 220 needs to be rounded up.

And beating past peak but still good versions of AJ, by two or three rounds, and Fury, by one or two rounds, erases the legacies of Lewis, the K bros, and a peaking version of Fury.

Thanks for reminding me.

 

You’re not big on average weights are you?

Just happy to compare Usyk’s top weight to one of Foreman’s lowest weights. Whose rounding up and down at their convenience?

For his last fight, Usyk wasn’t stripped down as a fighter usually would be for a weigh in - likewise Fury.

Usyk was more likely 223 lb max. if not less.

I believe the weights were sourced from the real time weigh in - meaning, not sourced from an earlier, private weigh in.

Supremely conditioned? Well, as well conditioned as he could be in his mid to late 30s carrying a good measure of un-natural extra weight.

He def. wasn’t/isn’t as well conditioned as he used to be when younger and at his lighter weights - nor were AJ and Fury. It’s always relative.

Fury’s legacy? Lol. Exactly what is that? And his resume still doesn’t comprise AJ - no amount of hypotheticals favouring Fury are going to change that fact.

Thanks for reminding me that AJ and Fury were into their own advanced years when Usyk faced and defeated them - well, actually, I didn’t reminding of that…and AJ having already been blown away by another dimensionally handicapped in the form of Ruiz prior to facing Usyk.

Foreman weighed 224 3/4 lbs vs Norton’s 212 3/4 lbs. Now tell me the story that Foreman had weights in his pocket(s) while ignoring the extra clothing that Usyk wore at the weigh in for the Fury fight.

The fact is, Foreman looked at least every one of those lbs heavier than Norton’s own recorded weight - and in terms of frame and actual heavy muscle, Foreman looked that much bigger than Ken.

Foreman emphatically rolled a 28/29 yo undefeated Frazier who was still reasonably considered to be within the range of his prime -if not, then not so much past same.

And a more considerately paced, patient and non weight drained Foreman did it again - weighing in at 224 lbs.

Next up, 229 lbs for Scottie Ledoux - a full 11 1/2 lbs heavier than he was for Frazier in Jamaican ……posting a highly creditable performance in that fight also. What the?…was young George on the juice? Crazy.

Pray tell what was natty Usyk weighing at the same age of established and natural maturity?

 

Sorry, can’t agree with the concluded outcome but I like the imaginative story woven around it. Very time loopy! Excellent.

 

Tell me you haven't watched Kid Gavilan fight without telling me you haven't watched Kid Gavilan.

 

So did Roy Jones and Ali, but I guess they don't matter because they're modern.

Oh yeah ?

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The guy he is fighting in the highlights you sent would beat the **** out of Quartey. But you disagree with that of course, since you have no idea who he is, who he beat and who he came close to beating. Everyone is just Bobby the Taxi driver in that era according to the ignorant.