Old Popkins workrate

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  1. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    A view held by many is that Calzaghe will simply outwork the older Hopkins with his high work rate (1,000 + punches etc).

    I read on a post a couple of days back that in his one of his last 2 fights (I think it was against Winky) Hopkins actually threw approx 750 punches.

    Is this information inaccurate or is Hopkins low workrate a myth?
     
  2. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    hopkins threw 650 punches v wright and 130 clinchs.

    but wright came onto hopkins with his turtle defense.

    just as calzaghe`s punch stats will go down v hopkins so will hopkins go down v calzaghe.

    to put it more in perspective hopkins when he dominated tarver threw 400 punches approx.
     
  3. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    I'm predicting to see approximately 600 punches from Calzaghe and 400 from BHop
     
  4. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Compubox did say he threw over 600 punches (not 750 though), but compubox counts any kind of punch. He didn't throw many real punches in that fight, he threw a lot lot of light, flicking 'point-grabbers' as Manny Steward called them.
    I don't hold it against him though, he usually fought high-paced, rough, physical fights in his physical prime, but in his 40's he's simply had to adjust his style to his diminishing athletic abilities, and he's done a masterful job of it too.
     
  5. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    A lot of Calzaghe punches are this type.
     
  6. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    let's speak about numbers then and considering Calzaghe-Kessler & Hopkins-Wright:

    Rd1 - Calzaghe 15 of 64, Wright threw 44 punches, Hopkins threw 41
    Rd2 - Calzaghe 15 of 55, Wright 13 of 54, Hopkins 8 of 50
    Rd7 - Calzaghe 27 of 105, Wright 16 of 54, Hopkins 18 of 53
    Rd8 - Calzaghe 18 of 59, Wright 15 of 57, Hopkins 15 of 58

    It's easy to understand Calzaghe's 1010 thrown and 285 connects against Hopkins' 640 thrown and just 152 connects and Wright's 618 thrown and 167 connected - Calzaghe went hit by hit with Kessler and made the most of effective time throwing and landing whereas Hopkins moved around and clinched robbing effective time to throw and land - it was a Hopkins decision, not something he tried,got tired and couldn't do ( to throw and land more)... Finally, look at the rounds that I'm giving you ( including a great 8th round for Calzaghe) and ckeck he landed 18 like Hopkins did in round 7... Of course, Hopkins has to throw in double digits per round but if Joe is reduced to land 15 ( rd 1 and rd 2 against Kessler), it will not come down to who's running the numbers on whom but who's doing the more damage or who's controlling the pace and the rhythm... And then don't go crying around about judges like Dave Moretti, Chuck Giampa, Glen Trowbridge, Glenn Hamada or Duane Ford - they are in a much better position at ringside to evaluate it than we are.
     
  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins vs Wright: 152 of 640 (24%)
    Hopkins vs Tarver: 133 of 417 (32%)
    Hopkins vs Taylor II: 130 of 371 (35%)
    Hopkins vs Taylor I: 96 of 326 (29%)
    Hopkins vs Eastman (Thru 10): 115 of 275 (42%)
    Hopkins vs Trinidad ( rounds 9 and rounds 11) - 34 of 71 (48%), 29 of 60 (48%)
    Hopkins vs Holmes ( Thru 7 rounds) - 154 of 325 (47%)
    Hopkins vs Vanderpool (Tru 9 rounds) - 120 of 298 (40%)
    Hopkins vs Echols II ( Thru 5 rounds) - 108 of 291 (37%)
    Hopkins vs Jones - 153 of 670 (23%)
     
  8. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    Great post, Hopkins is efficient, I wsh this fight were 6 years ago, Hopkins by murder.

    now its a 50/50...Interesting that Calzaghes output reduces against B class spoilers like NIKA and David Starrie.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  11. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe 114 of 341 (33%)
    Starie 108 of 397 (27%)

    Calzaghe 147 of 389 (37%)
    Salem 50 of 228 (21%)

    Thru 8 rounds
    Calzaghe 146 of 244 (35%)
    Eubank 98 of 244 (46%)
     
  12. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe don't get hit so much by making Calzaghe reset and don't stand upright in front of him, with no body and head movement... And I guarantee you that Hopkins' counters are much more damaging because Calzaghe will not have time to set his mind for the receiving - he's gonna be hit when he less expects to ( Mitchell, Salem) and let's see how will he respond to that...
     
  13. King Dan

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    I will second that :rofl from Rumsfeld.

    This comment is complete poop.
     
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