In Pollack's excellent first volume of Jack Johnson,The Rise,he mentions punching machines and that Sam McVey, Jim Jeffries and Bob Fitzsimmons were measured on the same one.He quotes The Oxnard Courier of March 29th 1902 as stating that McVey measured 1,270lbs,Jeffries1,100lbs,and Fitzsimmons 1070lbs. Anyone have any information on these machines?
Interesting. Measuring a punch is one thing and landing them on a moving target "just right" is another. Who is to say the best punch that registers on a machine is executed in the same way as it is in a combat situation? Usually the highest registered punch on fairground machines is a big telegraphed Haymaker coming all the way from the floor. Such a punch would never land in a real fight .....and I have seen boxers use them to get a higher score when they have been invited to use them. I have seen Garry mason, junior Witter and Johnny Nelson hitting fairground punchball machines on TV and neither used a boxing punch to register their highest score.
This has been a long standing boxing myth, but now Pollack has found a primary source to support it. It has some far reaching implications. I would not feel comfortable comparing such measurements from different machines from different eras, but the implications is that these guys were hitting as hard as Rocky Marciano and Frank Bruno!
i attacked a defenseless machine in Turkey a few weeks ago, scored 830 somethings. PS I used a running technique.
So, to summarise this threat, the official ESB all time greatest punchers (based on first hand sources) are: 1. Sam McVey - 1,270lbs, 2. Jim Jeffries - 1,100lbs, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons - 1070lbs 4. Matt Donnellon - 830lbs Any others to add to the list?
I think you are right; these machines are not designed to guage the quality of a punch, you can just do an exaggerated roundhouse punch and register a big score .
Exactly. There are people who can't fight, would not have a clue, who can equal a champions score using only a ludicrous round house punch with a run up from down the street. Technically they hit just as hard but as we know it is not the same thing. If only a six inch punch was measured it might mean something but of course even then you cant measure the accuracy of a Sunday punch landing on a trained boxer.
It's just a query about the machines. You need to lighten up a bit. You're more congenial when you're drunk. ps It's intelligentsia. Flowery verbiage [which I'm addicted to,] loses its effect if its spelt incorrectly. :good
i scored around 870 over 1000 in the heavy bag punch machine and i did not use a running tactic.. in the machine with the limit in 600kg i scored 570. i agreed with who said that you can“t land this type of power shot in a mobile target, or it is much harder to do
As i recall a Ring Magazine article circa 1969 / 70 detailed an experiment whereby Al "Blue"Lewis was taken to Detroit Moters R & D divison and allowed to haul off with a Left Hook on a wired up crash test dummy, the results were stated to be "Severe But Survivable " - no surprises there and as Crash Test Dummy's are not exactly know for their defensive Prowess i am not sure what was ultimately proven ...Apart for Ol Blue being a danger to Static Targets