Old timers punching power

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ricardoparker93, Dec 4, 2009.


  1. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Recent quotes on the classic forum

    "Pacquiao would get his head handed to him" (By Kid Gavilan, and man with 28 stoppage wins in 108 victoreis)

    and in the fantasy fight between Pac and Ike Williams

    " Ike hits too hard for Pac "

    " Pacquiao would get stopped in the middle rounds " etc etc

    Im bored of seeing people overrate old timers power. Ike Williams had 60 stoppage victories in 126 wins, now he may or may not have been a very good puncher but comments such as

    " He punches way harder than Pac " are based on what exactly? Along with great victories and KO's there are losses to luminaries such as Joey Zodda and Gene Burton as well and a KO loss to Bob Montgomery... OK call me a boxrec warrior but dont put these old timers up on a pedestal.

    Can anyone justify how instead of outboxing Pac to a points descision Gavilan would 'take his head off' and in all seriousness i would like to be educated about the power of Ike Williams, as in many cases stats dont tell the full story.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Watch the men fight and judge for yourself, yes Ike Williams probably had more on his shots than Pac at 135 imo although I don't think its a given he beats Pac. Galivan would school Pac and likely stop him late on accumulation
     
  3. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Boxrec warrior.

    **** post, **** poster. Actually watch some Boxing.

    I don't even want to start explaining about Gavilan's power. It would certainly be enough to hurt Pac, badly.
     
  4. KTFO

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    Mentioning Kid Gavilan regarding punching power musta be a joke. Carmen Basilio would def be the bigger name.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Williams is a different matter again. Watch him hit, there's footage on YouTube. I don't understand someone picking KG by KO either. It would be KG by virtual shout out...
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ike Williams hit like a ton of bricks along with great technique. Gavilan had better power than his record indicates. I agree however that a KO over Pacquiao would be unlikely but he did stop some good men on attrition.
     
  7. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: Ok so Kid Gavilan KO'd who exactly? He certainly wouldnt KO a guy as good as Pac. As Mcgrain said he would outbox him to a wide descision in all probability. But his power would hurt Pac BADLY :patsch i think you've been listening to your grandpa's tales a bit much.
     
  8. northernstar83

    northernstar83 Northernstar83 Full Member

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    Pacman would have no chance against Gavilan at 147, he hasnt faced anyone near the quality at welter that Gavilan did, would be too much for him
     
  9. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying that he would have a chance. Gavilan is too much at welter. But he isnt going to knock him out and he wont 'have his head taken off'

    Actually who do you guys feel hits harder at lightweight and light welter.

    Williams or Pac?
     
  10. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao getting his head handed to him might just mean he'll lose decisively, not necessarily that he'll get KO'd, although I never read the actual post. I disagree with a KO pick in favour of Gavilan but Gavilan did stop some good men and knocked down quite a few others. His power was respectable.

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  11. northernstar83

    northernstar83 Northernstar83 Full Member

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    I didnt mean he would stop him, I agree with you there :good
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Over 15 I can see Gavalin stopping Paq.. either way he would diced him up badly ..
     
  13. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah lets not confuse the issue. Gavilan beats Pac, but in the case of Ike Williams it is Pacs power that is being underratted. He KO'd Sasakul, Hatton and Diaz with single shots and the majority of his knockdowns come from single shots; and yet it is Williams who hits too hard for him?

    Im not disputing that Ike Williams was a very good puncher but at the end of the day he stopped only 60 of his 126 victims. Benny leonard in contrast stopped 71 out of 91!
     
  14. KTFO

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    Epic statement, Mr 'Lawyer pain-in-the-a$$'. :good
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure what your problem is.

    I've just never seen anyone here say that Gavilan would KO Pacquiao. If someone literally said Gavilan would "hand his head" to him, that doesn't necessarily mean he picked Gavilan to win by a KO. Could simply mean Gavilan would outclass Pac.