Older Fans, Who Was Seen As More Dangerous During Their Peak? Mike Tyson or George Foreman?

Who would you consider to be a highly successful boxer who doesn’t have good fundamentals?

Naseem Hamed would seem to be in that category as much of what he did was ‘wrong’ (especially hanging his chin out there) but there was more to his style than freelancing. He was a Brendan Ingle fighter and in his gym he had elaborate footwork maps on the floor that his fighters learned that were, to say the least, unorthodox ... but there was a method to the madness.

 

What is "fundamentally sound" about Tyson Fury mimicking Ali's rope a dope or having such a sloppy uppercut that he nails himself in the face?

Would you agree with my assessment that Roy Jones got away with bad fundamentals due to his explosive speed, power and reflexes and that the fact he lost badly once he started slowing down is proof of his bad fundamentals?

Did You or did you not praise Wilder's boxing ability? What does he do that's fundamentally sound? I've trained under 5 different coaches and he does things that would make all of them rip their hair out.

Did Joe Louis have BAD fundamentals?

 

George Foreman in 1973-1974, he was a very intimidating man. He sold Grills later in life, instead of fighting Jaws.

 

Uh, he had a glass chin against Shavers, Foreman, and Cooney, three of the five or six greatest punchers who ever fought in the heavyweight division (Shavers and Foreman were probably THE greatest).

Norton was an ATG greater than anyone Iron Mike fought except Holyfield and Lewis (I don't think anyone will put Spinks above Norton as an ATG, and Larry Holmes was over five years past his prime and nearly two years ring rusty).

 

And yet, most often the people whom politely agree to disagree really do respect the other's points but just don't agree with the conclusion. When it comes to fantasy match-ups, this is perfectly acceptable considering the subject.

Sounds to me like you just like to flare up and troll out when you know you're wrong, but I don't want to accuse you of that as that would be a sign of outright disrespect. I don't know you enough as a member here to make a fair decision on that, so no offense.

 

No, I don't suspect that he'd intimidate Frazier. But I don't think Marvis was intimidated either. One doesn't have to be afraid of Tyson to lose to Tyson.

 

No offense taken but I don't see how you reached that conclusion from my post.

We politely agree to disagree with one another all the time (sometimes by choosing not to reply to someone's post). But a lot of close-minded blowhards use that as a cop-out to try to end a discussion after they've said their piece and don't feel like entertaining any opposing views. Happens here just as in real life. I'm sure we all know plenty of people like that...

 

Possibly, but Tyson NEVER defeated a fighter on the level of Frazier or Norton. Yes he may have blown out A Norton because of his history against big punchers, but what would he do against a fighter that would not fear him at all? Frazier wouldn't fear him. Tyson game was also about intimidation. How would he deal with a skilled opponent that absolutely wouldn't fear him? His history even in his prime would suggest he wouldn't do as well. And your comparison of Spinks equals Roman is a little deceiving. Spinks didn't defeat one heavyweight that was a serious threat to him. Old past prime Holmes. A washed up Cooney. A Tangstad that never fought again after he lost to Spinks. Would Roman defeat Spinks at heavyweight? Probably not, but the mere fact you would equal or compare Spinks and Roman speaks volumes TBH.
This post also was about whom would be more fearsome. Would you be more fearful of Foreman who just Destroyed J.Frazier and Norton, or Tyson whom just defeated Bonecrusher Smith, or L Holmes, whom we all would agree was well past his prime when they fought in 88'. ?

 

Joe was probably a tough guy to fight in the streets, he had a tough life, he had maturity on his side, Mikey did not have maturity on his side, Yank did not hold Joe's hand or wipe his nose for him, he expected him to fight. Frazier did not allow Muhammad Ali to get into his head in 1971, as he had done to many. Tyson would not be able to handle Ali's berating of him, he lacked mental toughness on his own, did not have responsibilities early in life like Joe Frazier did with a family, Mikey and Robyn did not have children, later he did with someone else. Also Mikey caved in to James Buster Douglas, he could not intimidate him, but his fans will make excuses for him.

 

I only compared Spinks to Roman because they were both title defenses and 1st round KO's. Plus I think Spinks would convincingly out box Roman or even worse, stop him, we both likely do. In fact, while I'd pick Norton to beat Spinks, I think he is closer to Norton's level than Roman's and think he'd give a good account of himself against Norton.

The thing about Frazier is this, he's smaller in weight than Tyson plus Tyson is a better 2 handed puncher, hits harder and faster and is very accurate. And Joe's style would put him right in Tyson's line of fire. And Tyson had ATG heavyweight power. Frazier would sustain a lot of punishment in those opening rounds that I don't think he could handle.

 

By my reckoning we’re about two years away from someone blaming Evander ‘head butting’ Mike for the Buster Douglas loss.

They’ll say it happened in sparring when they were in the amateurs lol.

 

I hear you, but he would have lost to Evander Holyfield in any year if they had fought. Excuses are like people's behind, everyone has one.

 

Baddest man on the planet shouldn’t need excuses.

He got rag-dolled by Holyfield. Would have been twice but Tyson saw it coming the second time around and looked for an escape route. If he hadn’t been able to bite Evander’s ear he would have tried to tunnel his way out of the ring.

 

When you were a kid, do you remember the baddest, toughest kid getting his behind beat by another kid that was not intimidated at all by the bully. Then the bully and his followers made excuses, his shoes were too big, the sidewalk was slippery, the same thing here, if he did not train, it is on him. Who's fault that he went to prison, cannot blame Cus, or even Kevin Rooney. He did it to himself. Ali at least never served time in prison, not even for the Draft Evasion conviction in 1967, Dundee did not hold his hand, Angelo went on to train Jimmy Ellis to win the WBA Title.

 

Sounds like this is meant to be a serious reply ! Oh Dear....