Older generation vs newer generation

gavilan would never lose a single minute against cotto

 

Todays fighters may have more skills,but fighters of yesteryear are far more tougher.. Jack Johnson had 104 proffesional fights,Patterson-64,Dempsey-83 fights I think the conditioning was greater..

 

Calzaghe over Fosters ?I'd take Leonard's over Calzaghe ..Lets look at the whole picture ..I mean can you tell me one HW right now that you would really take over the likes of Loius,Ali ,and Marciano ???

And whats this about Ali ?Funny but I felt he lived up to his own hype ..

 

It depends on the fighter

 

Somebody call the crazy train! This cat needs a ride!

 

Get your head out of boxrec and actually do some proper research before you start talking out you arse...you look like less of a dick that way.

First of all
*He turned pro at 17
*He fought generally at least 9 times a year..sometimes up to 12-13 times.
*He boxed over 1000 rounds in his 140+ fight career.
*He was a pro for 15 years.

Are you seriously going to question this man's longevity and give him **** about a few losses mostly in the tail end of his career.

Compare him to some of longest careers of this era...Hopkins fought for longer but on average had less then 3 fights a year in his 20 year career.
Calzaghe fought about as long but fought much less against a generally lower level of opposition.

Lets pretend Kid Gavlian and Joe Calzaghe are cars...The same two cars might of been on the road for the same amount of time..
One has 46 000km on it, it was mostly garaged in Wales for its life and for the most part drove on well tarred sealed rounds.
The other had 143 000km on it..this car has been to 5 different countries..this car would drive anywhere anytime even when it wasnt fully ready. This car was taken out more then 3 or 4 times a year, over twice as many times most of the years it was on the road and often carried loads it wasnt made for...You tell me which one is going to be the less shopworn.

If you care to actually look into them, quite a few of Gavilan's losses were very controversial.

This man came within a whisker of beating Sugar Ray Robinson...Ill say that again this man came within a whisker of beating SUGAR RAY ROBINSON.
In addition to beating Ike Williams, Billy Graham, Carmen Basilio, Laurent Dauthuille, Beau Jack and Johnny Bratton among others.

And you think he would lose to Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto :rofl

Oh and if you think the different weight rules of today would come into play..dont worry..this guy routinely beat up world class middleweights aswell..Even challenging for the undisputed title at one point.


"Kid Gavilan gets sparked inside 5 rounds by modern fighters"

Never stopped in 143 fights...went a total of 25 rounds with Sugar Ray Robinson..Fought guys who sometimes outweighed him by 20 pounds.
But yeah..the modern era is just sooooooo much better, this guy would get whooped by Ricky Hatton...keep dreamin son.

 

You are an idiot. :good

Try actually watching some of the old-timers before making ass out of yourself.

 

You're wasting your time PugilisticPower. Old fighters are incomparable and unbeatable. The history of boxing is unique in the world of sport.

 

Practically any heavyweight around today would take over Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Baer. The only oldtimer I favor over a modern fighter is Ali and that's because the man was probably the best natural athlete that ever emerged from the known universe. Most of the oldtimer brigade do not take into consideration that the oldtimers toughness was toughness versus a 6 feet tall 188lb man, who was considered a monster back in the day. I personally can't picture anybody from The Bum of the Month Club lasting more than a couple of rounds versus any of the top ten heavyweights of today. Also, I can't see Roland LaStarza lasting more than six minutes versus Vladimir Klitschko. When I watch films of oldtime fighters I don't see any particular technical brilliance either, some of them were rather technically sound but many of them were largely one-handed fighters; take Max Baer and Jim Braddock, watch how seldom Baer used his left hand, and Braddock didn't use his left much at all until he broke his right hand and was FORCED to learn to use his left hand, that ought to give you an idea of how good the trainers were back in the Good Ol' Days. Saying that today's fighters aren't an improvement over yesterday's fighters is basically saying that every trainer since then has had the inability to learn from mistakes, to analyze skills and tactics, it's like saying a computer scientist from the 50s would school a computer scientist of today, it's absurd. Just like in boxing there's more of them and there better schooled at what they are doing.

 

Great post! :happy

 

ill put it this way...

sugar ray robinson ,arguably the best fighter ever, fought jake lamotta on Feb 2, 1943 and lost a 10 round decision. On Feb 19 he fouhgt again and won a MD over California Jackie Wilson. On Feb 26, he fought jake lamotta again and won a 10 round decision. Thats 30 rounds in less than a month and 20 against the raging bull. Puts fighters today to shame. No contest. Sugar Ray would beat todays welterweights. Tho some new fighters are great fighters and will rank as ATGs.

 

I just watched Pryor vs. Arguello 2 the intensity and toughness was beyond belief. I do feel a lot of the older fighters had more intestinal fortitude and warrior mindset then alot of todays modern fighters.