Oleksander Usyk vs Ike Ibeabuchi

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Why he didn't do it against Derrick Chisora ?
    Replace Chisora with Ibeabuchi there.... not pretty for Usyk.
     
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    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    Thank you. Ibeabuchi was the complete package, could box, take a punch, high workrate with power.

    Chisora won 4, 5 rounds against Usyk... Ibeabuchi would at least win 2 or 3 more than that.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    Doesn't work that logic mate.

    Usyk did what he needed to do to win.
     
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  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    No, what ? He risked a loss in the scorecards there. He didn't know how the judges where scoring. Usyk beat Joshua because Joshua is made for Usyk to beat. Styles.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    He won enough rounds to win the fight without controversy.

    Having a close fight with someone isn't really an indication on how a different fight would go.
     
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  6. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Hmm, kinda is depending on style and attributes.
    It was Chisora, a jorneyman... if Usyk is such an ATG, I don't know......
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    No it isn't. It can't ever be. Usyk did what he needed to do to win the fight.

    Usyk is clearly an ATG talent. He's been a world champion since 2016, has fought the best around and has managed to beat them all.

    If he beats Fury there's no questions left.
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 1, 2023
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  8. Mike_b

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    Ike is just too strong, too big of a freak of nature
     
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  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Luf, my friend, you are not thinking. If he had trouble with the pressure Chisora puts on, that is a indicative that he would have huge trouble with someone that threw harder punches in a even higher workrate and wouldn't get hurt at all by Usyk's punches..

    My other point was that Usyk didn't know he was winning the fight, nobody does unless it is a beating which it wasn´t. This is not tennis where you know the score all the time. So your point about him doing what he had to do as if he just did enough because he chose to, is not good..
    Nice to see you still around, by the way !
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    I completely disagree mate. All it's indicative of is that he had a close but clear victory over Chisora. Usyk won the fight, I'm sure he'd win one against Chisora as well.

    Great to see you around bud as well!
     
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  11. BCS8

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    I suppose I could go on about styles and how they mesh but it would be wasted here. Wlad fed off small slow-footed, slow punching face first plodders. That is all.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

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    Usyk is an ATG Cruiserweight but I'm not sure I feel the same way at Heavyweight he still has to prove that.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    He's an ATG talent regardless of where he fights because he's a great fighter.

    Has he carved out an ATG career at HW yet? Of course not.

    In that regard he's somewhat comparable to Bowel and Vitali in being better than his greatness in the division suggests.

    If he where to beat Fury and defend successfully against Wilder he ticks those boxes as well for me.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    Bowe atleast beat a great Heavyweight though in Holyfield, and whilst Vitali doesn't have the greatest resume. He did beat a whole bunch of C and B class fighters without barely losing a round which is why he gets rated fairly highly H2H wise.

    Usyk has beaten one Heavyweight ranked in the top 10, and whilst he does have great talent. Hes not a big hitter and he maybe somewhat suspectible to body shots, so an elite Heavyweight who's able to walkthrough his punches and make life uncomfortable for him he may be found wanting.

    We do know Breidis, Chisora, pressure bothered him to some extent, so let's see what future holds for Usyk who I'm still not totally sold on at Heavyweight.
     
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    Dynamicpuncher, Dec 2, 2023
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  15. lufcrazy

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    His future is probably 2 more fights, which I imagine he'll win thus ending your concerns
     
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