Oleksandr Oleksandrovych "The Cat" Usyk vs. Artur Asilbekovich "The Beast" Beterbiev amateur trilogy

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    These former rivals may not ever share a ring again, on very different trajectories and each wildly successful in their own right as professionals (both are currently undefeated lineal champs, at HW & LHW respectively, and both more than halfway toward fully unifying to become not just lineal but undispited), regardless of Russ Anber hyping up his charge as wanting it - but this absolute wet dream of a boxer versus puncher match-up did in fact happen, and it happened plenty!

    They fought thrice over the span of five years, from 2007 until 2012.

    Beterbiev took a narrow points victory the first time, over four rounds in a light heavyweight contest at that year's Russia vs. Ukraine meet in Kalingrad. Usyk would avenge the defeat twice over - in the quarterfinals of both the AIBA world championships in 2011 and the London Olympics ten months later - but they were also close affairs, 17-13 coincidentally being the score on both occasions.

    Usyk has stated that Beterbiev was his toughest opponent ever. Now, as with any such pronouncements by fighters, we can take it with as big a grain a salt as you feel is proportionate to your trust in his word (remember lots of folks thought Floyd Mayweather Jr. declaiming that DeMarcus Corley was his own toughest opponent was met with incredulous derision by some who felt it was a diss of JLC, while a minority defended it as credibly being his sincerely held opinion) - but it does warrant mentioning that Beterbiev handed Usyk what I believe to be his second knockdown ever, and to date the most recent, late in their rematch with a vicious body shot making the Ukrainian take a delayed-reaction knee.

    Usyk vs. Beterbiev I: Kalingrad
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    Usyk vs. Beterbiev II: Baku
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    Usyk vs. Beterbiev III: Canning Town, East London
    https://video-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v...98q1FF_RuEYAHy8cLle0KXqtqkzT2zA7w&oe=63B87FFF

    Btw, you're welcome - that Beterbiev victory took some real digging and web-crawling savvy - you could absolutely scour Google for it and never, ever find it using the Latinized alphabet. Gotta switch it up and enter their names in Cyrillic as your search criteria (У́сик & Бетерби́ев) to have a prayer. :deal:
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Now, should it turn out Anber wasn't just whistling Dixie, and should they get past their next obstacles (Anthony Yarde and Tyson Fury respectively) - how do we feel about this left field grudge match from the amateurs possibly happening in 2023? :dunno
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Would like to see it, although I heavily favor Usyk due to his combination of size and skill. Interesting that Beterbiev won the first amateur match up in 2007, but lost the latter two bouts. In 2007 Usyk was only 20 and Beterbiev was 22. Which to me can explain a lot. Typically, a two-year age difference would not matter much at all, but between the ages of 20 and 22 there is often significant measurable physical development in men. At that this point Usyk is simply too big IMO.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    True but even a few years later at the higher weight Beterbiev was very competitive. It was 2011 when he put Usyk on the canvas.

    For me, analyzing them meeting up today in the pros, it's more a matter of Usyk having another decade to refine his skill and widen the gulf between them in that department, than his size. Remember, while he thrives against bigger opponents Usyk has weirdly struggled the most when they're smaller (Korobov, Porter, etc) ...although yes that's ancient history and he's in god mode now.
     
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  5. tinman

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    Beterbiev is noticeably smaller than Usyk now, but he's big enough and powerful enough that if he lands clean on any person's organs the pain may be such that you cannot ride it out without taking a knee. But yea, I will say it's interesting that Usyk lost the first fight and then won the latter two. I can say that for me my 22-year-old self would have a significant advantage over my 20-year-old self. But my 30-year-old self would have little to no advantage over my 28-year-old self. As far as skills go, Usyk's now had more time to refine them and widen the gap in that department and you are correct that he has not yet discovered any man that has proven to be too big rather than too good. Although I can say no man has proven too much for Usyk in either department.
     
  6. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    Usyk is done with boxing after his two Fury paydays

    Fury going to ping his head into the crowd whilst he tries to hide behind that amatuer high guard.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    I give Beterbiev more of a puncher's chance vs. Usyk than I give Fury a big gyppo dosser's chance. :sisi1
     
  8. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Am I having a déjà-vu topic?
     
  9. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    I promise you will be shocked at the ease Fury goes through Usyk.

    Fury's career of not relying on his power and being used to hitting little men up the body without loading up is going to make light work of gappy teeth. This ain't no AJ bodybuilder.

    Fury is going to hit him down the pipe with a 1,2 at some point in the first 4 rounds where Usyk is at his most mobile desperately trying to cling onto the dream of victory and when it lands Usyk will end up looking like Amir Khan after 5 pints. He'll have that tight guard up wondering what hit him then suddenly a bowling ball will smash into his ribs and he'll start crying. It will be like fighting two betberbievs on steriods.

    Fury Vs Usyk would be a great fight in 2010.
     
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  10. Easyrhino

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    Gotta favor Usyk over Justin Bieber or Beterbiev
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    IDK, people have brought up the knockdown in their second meeting fairly often; you see threads made on it anytime Usyk's haters are riled up and looking for ammunition to say anything derogatory about him (but LOL at thinking a quick knee after taking a fully-loaded wallop from Beterbiev downstairs is any sort of black mark on someone's durability), with some videos even stupidly mislabeled as Usyk being "knocked out", but... to my recollection there's never been a collation of all the footage of their amateur rivalry before now.
     
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  12. Komaster

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    this a lucrative fight though?

    I mean..it is russia vs ukraine...
     
  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    I see only Fury haters on this forum. But whatever, some topics are created regularly and it's annoying.
     
  14. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    The difference between Usyk & Fury is Usyk has been stopped whilst Fury cannot be stopped.

    Tyson Fury is out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. He absolutely will not stop... ever until he meets his maker.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

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    Sure, but, again - has this, ever?

    It doesn't appear so:
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/search/69004094/?q=Usyk+Beterbiev&o=date&c[title_only]=1&c[node]=6

    Their names have only appeared in thread title together 12 times, a few posting vids or clips of one of or another of their above amateur bouts (usually Baku or London, as far as I know Kalingrad is debuting here as an IB Exclusive™) and one pondering them fighting now in the pros, but - yeah, never an overview of their full rivalry with complete footage of the trilogy.