Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Tyson Luke Fury & Jai Opetaia vs. Mairis Briedis II - RBR.

gollumsluvslave · May 21, 2024

shadow111 said: ↑

What I would say to IB and others who scored it wide, namely 117-110, as it seems we have a handful of 117-110ers, is that, we've been here before, haven't we. We've seen this sort of thing before, and I can't say I'm surprised. We've been here before when we've had close fights argued to be much wider than the judges had it. i.e. Canelo GGG 1 & 2.

I'm not gonna sit here and rain on the parade of those who had it wide for Usyk, particularly those who boldly invisioned a Usyk victory beforehand and have been validated by the result, a result that I also came to as well, albeit by a much narrower margin. Credit to those that predicted a Usyk victory, we can differ on how wide we had it, but can agree on who deserved victory.

But I do think, particularly in IB's case, is that you're glossing over how close and how undeniably hard to score the first 3 rounds were, and with IB citing an erroneous 52% to 18% accuracy figure in an effort to justify the scoring of those rounds via an inaccurate statistic, whilst completely ignoring the near even total landed numbers, doesn't exactly instill confidence.

On the other hand, to score the first 3 rounds in favor of Usyk, I wouldn't conclude that is inherently unreasonable, but I do think having those rounds noted as "close" is an important distinction if you are so inclined to score them each to Usyk. To give the impression that each of the the first 3 rounds were "clear" Usyk rounds as IB's seems to be doing comes across as disingenuous and rather biased.

That's what I try to guard against, not the final score total so much, but rather how you got there, and showing how conflicted you were over hard to score rounds. I recognize that scoring close rounds can be subjective and multiple swing rounds can indeed turn a 1 point margin into a 7 point margin. But to give the impression that a observably close matchup was one-sided and easy to score, that's just not consistent with reality.

I would be able to relate better to your 117-110 had you made it clear, that yeah you had it wide, but darn there were multiple hard rounds to score that you gave to Usyk, but that you were conflicted over, then I could live with that. But lets not pretend that Fury wasn't having his way with Usyk or that Usyk wasn't in it deep at the midway point, lets not act like Usyk didn't have to pull a rabbit out of a hat over the final 6 rounds to turn the tide. And failure to recognize this in my view reduces the thrilling dramatic turnaround that we all witnessed that would only increase the respect that Usyk earned by the adjustments he made and the never say die fighting Spirit Usyk showed into a Ho-hom one-sided easy to score imaginary fantasy that simply didn't occur.
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Or, alternatively, we can speculate that the judges in both occasions had some bias or reason to push things in a certain direction...

The majority from what I have seen have the first 3 rounds to Usyk and the next 3 to Fury - and those were pretty easy rounds to score IMO, I feel some folks were suckered in by Fury's showboating.

I had 2 real 'swing' rounds that I had marked out as close and would have seen the other way being acceptable - round 3 I scored for Usyk, but Fury was starting to find his rythym. Round 7 I scored for Fury, but Usyk was starting to turn the tide and arguably sneaked it in the last 15 seconds.

Usyk Clear : 1,2,8,9,10,11,12
Fury Clear : 4,5,6
Swing : 3 & 7

That gives me range of scores between 117-110 (all swing rounds to Usyk) through to 115-112 (all swing rounds to Fury)

I've rewatched it and still can't see how folks are giving Fury round 1 or 2 and rounds 11 or 12? Whilst he did score in those rounds, Usyk blocked much of it, and Fury was on the backfoot throughout and Uysk score the cleaner shots and controlled the pace and the ring positioning.

Wizbit1013 · May 20, 2024

chacal said: ↑

No, he's not.

Sánchez just refused to box. He didnt even box bad, he just didnt box. He run, hugged and did stupid stufff, but he didnt box.
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That might be because he is crap

Max Thunder · May 20, 2024

Seeing the Gypsy King crumble in the corner looking like a defeated man was quite an iconic boxing moment. Never thought I'd see that.

Kinda reminded me of Mike Tyson grasping for his mouthpiece against Douglas.

UmarIFLUmar · May 20, 2024

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tinman · May 20, 2024

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Yesterday I liked your post, because you were implying @UnleashtheFURY is always mad, well... because he is. Although honestly, I was so pumped up after the fight, I had no ****ing clue what you two were arguing about.

But after reading back over the conversation, I must say, I couldn't disagree more. Sure, I've thrown off on Tyson Fury quite a lot, and said he didn't have the skillset to hang with Usyk, which he didn't. Nor do I think Fury would stack up well H2H with much smaller guys if they were in the same division, put it this way, he benefits greatly from being a slick behemoth. That being said, relative to the skillsets of most of the current Heavyweights, Tyson Fury is head and shoulders about pretty much everyone not named Usyk. It's also pretty well know, that Fury is a fat lazy SOB, who buys into his own hype, who also tends to train to the level of his opponents, and when he doesn't think they pose a serious threat, he halfasses his preparations. He knew he could easily beat Schwarz, Pianeta, Serferi, Whyte and Chisora, in first gear with one hand tied behind his back. He clearly incorrectly assumed that he could do the same with Wallin and Ngannou, and because of his egomaniacal hubris, almost paid the price. Hell, that almost bit him in the ass in the third Wilder fight as well. Regardless, Wallin and Ngannou are both southpaws, which tends to give Fury stylistic problems to start with. So sure, the style issues was a small part of it, but clearly the lazy pisspoor preparations because his ego wouldn't allow him to think that a Swedish featherfist or an MMA guy even deserved to be in the ring with him, was the main reason he looked as bad as he did in those two fights.

Also, Ngannou might've shaded their fight by a round, and of course scoring the flash knockdown certainly helped. It was also a 10 Rounder, so less wiggle room on the scorecards. But Usyk not only bossed 9 out of 12 rounds, let's be honest, against any other opponent in the world, without the same pull, the 9th round would have ended in a TKO victory for him. Ngannou looked average against one of the worst versions of Fury we've ever seen. Usyk looked spectacular to beastly against an in shape, focused, much sharper and faster Fury, probably the best version we've seen since the second Wilder fight. Granted, I don't doubt for a second that Fury, being the sleazy weasel he is, intentionally staged getting cut, so it could buy himself a few more months of training, to get himself into the best shape possible. But still, at the end of the day, that con worked, he did get himself in great shape, and he showed up as ready as he could possibly get. So no need to denigrate Usyk's win like that, that wasn't the sloppy fat goon that fought Ngannou, that was a focused shaper as a tack Fury from the Wilder rematch. But even Fury at his best... wasn't enough.
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Watched it live. I was stone cold sober, but felt like I was on something. I felt like I was on a stimulant. I didn't even try to go to sleep afterwards because I knew I would be unable to. Ended up basically pulling an all-nighter. Not by choice.

CST80 · May 20, 2024

tinman said: ↑

Watched it live. I was stone cold sober, but felt like I was on something. I felt like I was on a stimulant. I didn't even try to go to sleep afterwards because I knew I would be unable to. Ended up basically pulling an all-nighter. Not by choice.
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Same... as always. But I had the exact same reaction, and that was me operating on about 2 hours of sleep. I couldn't sleep until after Berinchyk vs. Navarrete, I was buzzing so hard.

CST80 · May 20, 2024

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UmarIFLUmar · May 20, 2024

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Absolute tune

Jab in the Face · May 20, 2024

He has the inhaler around his neck in the ring walk lol

CST80 · May 20, 2024

JacK Rauber said: ↑

I'm not seeing the potential in Kabayel. Like Torres, he is a decent journeyman.
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How could you see the potential in Frank Sanchez, and not see the potential in the man who smashed him to absolute bits? Frank was a one note back foot one two artist that controlled range okay. Agit is adept on the front foot as a body punching pressure fighter/swarmer, he's adept as a rangy boxer puncher against behemoths, and he can be a slick back foot counter puncher when he's the guy being pressured. He's probably the second most versatile Heavyweight on the planet behind Usyk.

CST80 · May 20, 2024

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shadow111 · May 20, 2024

gollumsluvslave said: ↑

Usyk Clear : 1,2,8,9,10,11,12
Fury Clear : 4,5,6
Swing : 2 & 7
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You had Round 2 as a Clear Usyk Round and a Swing Round? How can that be????

shadow111 · May 20, 2024

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I am feel. I am very FEEL!!

ForemanJab · May 20, 2024

ellerbe said: ↑

Eh. I don’t think Fury is at his best anymore. The Wilder fights took a lot outta him, and he lost to an mma fighter, even you scored it for Ngannou at the time. Do I think he was at 100% against Ngannou? Probably not, but people over exaggerate the condition he was in. There just isn’t much to prepare against Ngannou especially at that time since there isn’t boxing tape on him.

Still a great win by Usyk but this also isn’t a Fury from Wilder 2
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Usyk isn't at his best either, he's older than Fury and has had a long career factoring in the amateurs. Fury also tried to age him out with all the delays, this fight could've happened years ago, so he shouldn't get any credit there.

ForemanJab · May 20, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9r6SxNX73vM

Turned that boy's head into a pez dispenser

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