Oleksandr Usyk - 191 cm, 101 kg; George Foreman - 191cm, 98 kg; Muhammad Ali - 191 cm

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  1. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Pick the winners if all these fighters fought each other in their primes in fantasy fights, would size have been a factor in these fights?
    Oleksandr Usyk - 191 cm, 101 kg; George Foreman - 191cm, 98 kg; Muhammad Ali - 191 cm, 97 kg; Joe Louis - 188 cm, 93 kg; Joe Frazier - 182 cm, 94 kg. Mike Tyson - 178 cm, 99 kg; Rocky Marciano - 178 cm, 84 kg;
     
  2. BCS8

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    I'm kind of high on Usyk to be honest. The more I watch him the more I realise what a well-drilled machine he is.
     
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Usyk is a fantastic fighter. A true ATG. That being said, i have always believed smaller skilled fighters who can match or exceed his speed would give him a much harder time than larger slower heavies who simply don't have the stamina to keep up with him.

    There is a reason why Breidis gave him a hard time at cruiser or Beterbiev gave him a hard time at the Olympics (and both Usyk and Beterbiev were basically pros at the Olympics since they both had over 200 amateur contests).

    He is great. He isn't unbeatable. Put him vs a small heavy who is quicker than him and all of a sudden it becomes a 50-50 fight.
     
  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Well, an out of prime Ali stopped Foreman. So, the battle for the #1 spot is between Usyk and Ali. Neither has faced a specimen like each other. 50/50. Gun to head, I lean towards Ali. He was durable, had decent power and more than likely, faster than Usyk. Not a dream fight I want to see. I like and respect both guys way too much to have to sit and watch o e of them loose.
     
  5. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    George Foreman blew up to over 300lbs when he retired. He has naturallh much bigger than Usyk is right now.

    Usyk would probably shrink down once he stops training and lifting weights
     
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  6. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Heavyweights lifted weights in the 70`s.
     
  7. Boxingfan786

    Boxingfan786 New Member Full Member

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    Usyk loses all the match ups.
     
  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Usyk is much better at his current form then Ali or Foreman were when they were at his current form imo
     
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  9. Mark Anthony

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    Ali was 215 lbs, while Foreman was a 228 lbs of sheer-muscles, when they fought. Foreman threw his entire body and arms behind each blow and was really dangerous at the weight while Ali looked slower than Usyk at 215 or higher.
     
  10. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Ali's legs were gone by that point and he got by with experience, toughness and lots of dirty tactics. Foreman was pretty much a 4 round fighter at best at that point and would struggle if he couldn't bully an opponent around.
     
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  11. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why do you do this? Why?
     
  12. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Because I tell it how it
     
  13. eat more offal

    eat more offal Active Member banned Full Member

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    Only foreman was 191cm out of those. Usyk and Ali 189cm at best
     
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  14. Kiwi Fish

    Kiwi Fish Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk would win, those guys haven't even seen, let alone sparred with or practiced against a Southpaw at anywhere near the level of Usyk. They would have to figure out how to fight him in the ring, and by the time they worked it out he would have a clear lead on the cards.

    This is compared to Usyk who has watched these guys fight for years, he would know way more about their games and how to handle them.
     
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