Oleksandr Usyk doesn't look so wonderful after Jermaine Franklin vs Joshua

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  1. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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  2. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree, it’s nice to finally see some sense on this forum.
     
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  3. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And what an reinvention it was by him, amazing.
     
  4. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed Sasha did what he had to do in great fashion against a high level appointed AJ,

    Have to say that first the Klitschko then Ruiz & now Usyk fights have made him change there's no doubt.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I know I'm wasting my time here but I'll humour you


    AJ is at worse the 2nd best HW of this generation and he does have the best resume at HW of this generation

    In chronological order

    Kevin Johnson
    Whyte
    Martin
    Wlad
    Breazeale
    Molina
    Wlad
    Takam
    Parker
    Povetkin
    Fat Andy
    Fat Andy
    Pulev
    Usyk
    Usyk
    Franklin

    Now do I rate some of those ? No but the fact the likes of Breazeale and Molina are considered some of The Dosser's stronger wins and really weak ones for AJ says it all

    Charles Martin is either The Dosser's best win's best win or 2nd best win at worse. Martin's one of AJ's weakest ones since he moved up to the world level

    Wlad and Povetkin were old and obviously past their best but they were still formidable, huge punchers, and two of the best HWs in the world at the time and both would've knocked The Dosser out cold

    People often try and compare Ortiz and Povetkin which is absolutely comical because not only was Povetkin a way better and more decorated amateur who won gold at every major championships whilst Ortiz never even medalled any at of them other than silver at the World cup which is a team event, but he was a way better pro with a way better resume and a way better chin, and he actually fought lots of punchers whereas Ortiz fought barely any :facepalm:

    AJ fought Usyk twice, Belly is terrified of even facing him once in his own backyard and he ducked AJ too

    AJ also has a way better amateur resume than The Dosser and Belly too

    In just 71 fights in total amateur and pro he's won Olympic gold (undeserved), World Amateur silver, become a 2 x three-belt unified champion and fought

    Cammarelle x 2
    Majidov
    Joyce
    Savon
    Dychko
    Nistor
    Zhang
    Frazer Clarke
    Whyte
    Wallin x 2
    Kuzmin
    Pfeifer
    Arjaoui

    Usyk x 2
    Wlad
    Povetkin
    Parker
    Fat Andy x 2
    Whyte
    Pulev
    Takam
    Martin
    Franklin
    Kevin Johnson
    Breazeale
    Molina

    He's beaten 5 world champions in 28 fights to The Dossser's 2 in 46 fights and one of The Dosser's was shot to hell

    And Fury's 3 in 33 fights

    AJ has an excellent chance of KO'ing The Dosser who also ducked him too. The Dosser couldn't deal with Fury's power or pressure for goodness sake and if IIRC AJ has performed better against every single one of the common opponents he shares with The Dosser both amateur and pro sans Breazeale

    And AJ has fought lots of punchers amateur and pro and only ever been dropped or stopped by big punchers whereas Belly has been dropped by complete featherfists with low KO% like Cunningham and Pajkic and very nearly by Firtha.

    The Dosser was dropped heavily by a bum and saved from a KO defeat by the bell

    Yes AJ got stopped by Fat Andy in the first fight but these things happen in the HW division. Lewis got KTFO by a crack addict and Rahman. Tyson got knocked out by Douglas. Wlad got knocked out by Sanders and stopped against Purrity and Brewster. Louis against Schmeling etc.


    And something was clearly not right with AJ going into that fight which was plain to see from his ring walk. But he avenged the loss in his next fight and the only other losses he's suffered as a pro are to generational talent Usyk who is the current P4P#1 and a great fighter both amateur and pro who hasn't lost a fight in 13.5 years despite winning all his medals at major champions on the road and all his 7 world titles at two weights in his opponent's backyard and unifying them all in his opponent's backyards too

    So if AJ's resume is a myth and smoke and mirrors what does that say about The Dosser's and Belly's both of whom have already ducked AJ and Belly is petrified and has just pulled an ATG top 10 shameless duck of the fighter AJ fought twice in Usyk :facepalm:

    AJ already stopped Joyce in the amateurs

    When The Dosser had 28 fights ie. what AJ has now his best win was Audley Harrison and his 2nd best one would be *insert bum's name* :facepalm:

    Lewis took up boxing aged 13 (five years younger than AJ did), had over twice the amount of amateur fights, didn't win a world title until his 23rd fight compared to AJ's 16th, was brutally one punch KO'd in his 3rd defence or 26th fight by a crack addict and how many slicksters or slick southpaws did he fight, let alone ones remotely as good as Usyk? I'm not arguing AJ is better or as good as Lewis but AJ has still only had 28 fights and he's achieved a lot more than Lewis had by the same stage of his career despite taking up boxing much later than him and having under half the amount of amateur fights.

    And the AJ we saw last night was, duh, obviously not the same AJ who fought Usyk or of prior fights. That was abundantly clear to see. He was too heavy and slow, his confidence was shot to bits, and he was extremely tentative and fought very scared all night

    And FTR, I don't like AJ. I think he's incredibly fake and a bloody weirdo. But he's a good fighter who has achieved an awful lot in a short space of time and just 71 fights amateur and pro combined
     
  6. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Serge is a now a puppet of Eddie Hearn

    AJ is a bum dosser currently the #5 rated HW. He is a gatekeeper.
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The irony coming from someone whose lips are glued to the testicles of the sport's biggest coward

    Yes because I don't take shots at E-Hearn and AJ all the time :facepalm:
     
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    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I feel disgusted I used to be such a big fan of that coward, minq

    They tried to lock me up in an insane asylum when I told you all years ago that he was going to duck Usyk but even I didn't think at the time he would duck him in such shameless and cowardly fashion
     
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  10. DaRealJT

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    Such an amazing resume yet he’d still get sparked out cold by Wilder :lol:
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's possible because The Dosser hits extremely hard, but so does AJ and The Dosser has been down more times as a pro than him despite facing less punchers in 46 fights than AJ has in 28. Wlad dropped The Dosser multiple times and knocked him out in the gym, he didn't drop AJ once in sparring. AJ can knock The Dosser out just as easily as he can him. The Dosser's chin is a myth. He couldn't even deal with Fury's power
     
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  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting how you leave out the context of ajs wins. Wlad was 41, beltless, inactive. Ruiz KO'd him and came in the rematch 20 pounds heavier. Parker is mediocre and got eaten alive by Joyce. Whyte isn't even top 10 at this point, Pulev shouldn't even be mentioned, and Povetkin was old but a decent win i guess.

    aj has been fighting scared ever since after Klitschko. Do you not remember the parker fight ? The Ruiz 2 fight ? The Pulev fight ? It's the same aj. aj didn't look good against Franklin partly because of his new trainer but he's always been scared to fight. He doesn't have any balls. He doesn't have killer instinct. No minerals anymore. This is nothing new. This is the same aj that fought Usyk
     
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  14. MAD_PIGE0N

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    You can't, because a lot of people are satisfying themselves with Usyk stuck... not in their heads, sopolivilev knows it best.

    Is AJ really a great fighter, one that lost to Usyk or is AJ an overhyped just a good fighter who got schooled by Usyk?
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You mean the ''context'' I've posted god knows how many times before and what we all obviously know?

    I said Wlad and Povetkin were old and past their best

    Like I left out the context that Wlad was four months away from turning 40 when he lost to Belly and Ortiz was two weeks away from turning 39 going into the first fight against The Dosser?

    Like how The Dosser's 2nd best win Stiverne's 2nd best win is a 40 y/o slug slow master boxer Ray Austin who was boxing his ears off all night prior to getting clipped?

    We can all play the discredit a resume and revisionism games but the fact is context applied or not it makes no difference because AJ's resume amateur and pro in just 71 fights>>>The Dosser's and Belly's and both of them ducked him too.

    And his resume>>Lewis' by the same stage of their respective careers even though he took up the sport five years later than him and had half the amount of amateur fights he did

    Fat Andy came in 20lbs heavier. You mean like how the crack addict who one punch KO'd Lewis had a nervous breakdown during his ring walk for the rematch when he Lewis avenged his loss to him?

    If that AJ we saw the other night against Franklin was the same AJ who fought Usyk and of prior fights, and it obviously wasn't nor even close to which of course you already know, nobody would've picked AJ to beat Usyk instead of only a small minority even giving Usyk a chance. AJ looked terrible. Much worse than he's ever looked before. Hence why many are picking him to lose to every Tom, Dick and Harry now :facepalm:
     
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