Oleksandr Usyk: Greatest P4P Fighter Since.........

In the classical p4p sense he probably actually is.. he's regularly getting outweighed on the scales the night before by 20-30lbs. Whereas Floyd was moaning about 2lbs (Canelo) .. in fact he even said leading up to the JMM fight: “I've never fought a guy at a catch weight. I don't fight guys at catch weights. I don't put plaster in my gloves. These are things I don't do, because I'm not that type of guy".. JMM had never fought above 135 when he fought Floyd .. so they agreed to a weight.. which FMJ subsequently broke by coming in at 146 LOL.. Usyk never acts like that.. yes he has a deeper resume, smaller men generally do .. they have more depth to choose from because their are like 3 to 4 divisions in the space of what? 15lbs? On paper they always look greater.. but if you're crying over a couple of pounds here & there, breaking weight agreements etc you're not getting passed off as some p4p god to me.. if Floyd was a natural CW he'd probably fight at LHW & drain the bridgerweights.

 

Floyd's fight night weight was considerably less than canelo, cotto, Oscar etc

He rarely put on weight after the weigh ins
You can't judge it for heavyweight like that. Everyone knows that it's different at the heaviest weight

Floyd dominated much better opponents for a much lengthier spell and it's not very difficult to judge who is better

Look at usyks face after many of his fights. The guy is in many competitve fights and gets banged up a lot, can't say the same for Floyd bar the cotto fight, he rarely left with a mark

Floyd is a much better boxer than usyk. He would humiliate many of usyks opponents like bellew fir example who is basic and not even ricky hatton level

 

Crawford and Inoue have a case of being greater now, today...Usyk is in that company though and may be the best of that group...their careers arent done yet so its tbd

 

I rate David Haye's victory over Valuev higher than Pac's over Cotto because of this but it's crazy how many people hated on me for it.

 

Lol, the same usyk who's face was black and blue post Fury and many other fighters who weren't great

The same usyk who struggled past chisora and came frome behind vs Bellew?

Yeah manny and Floyd used PEDs but the guy from the Eastern block that's notorious for drugs and fights once per year is clean? Lol

Manny would beat the s..t out of usyk and Floyd would school him. Fury rounds 4-6 is what Floyd would do for at least 8 rounds and Manny would straight up punish him, as he can more than match him for stamina and he would be throwing from every angle

This isn't the amateurs and it isn't overrated stiff fighters who can't move or defend

 

Excellent analysis Dynamicpuncher ,you are no longer a boxing junkie. You are now Boxing Expert!

 

Canelo's weight excuse is a myth prior to facing Mayweather he weighed 153 pounds then when he fought Mayweather he was 152 pounds which is a grand total of 1 pound difference. And Canelo never weighed in at 154 pounds in any fight prior to Mayweather. Plus when Canelo got into the ring vs Mayweather he was 165 pounds so he had a 15 pound weight advantage and Mayweather was 37 years old. Yet i don't hear anyone ever say Canelo had a 15 pound weight advantage or that Mayweather was 37 years old.

Yes i agree the JMM catchweight fight was BS but looking at Mayweather's whole career he trumps Usyk by quite a significant margin. Let me ask you this how many fighters has Usyk beaten who are considered future hall of famers ? 0 at this point. How many hall of fame fighters did Mayweather and Pacquiao beat ? i would imagine somewhere in the region of 15.

I agree the smaller weight classes generally have more depth so it's hard to compare, but Usyk is not exactly this unbeatable mythical fighter either that people make out he is. Usyk had a very close fight vs Breidis, was behind on points vs Bellew prior to the KO, had a very tough night vs Chisora, and the Dubois shot whilst technically low according to the rules wasn't exactly in his crown jewels either and part of the punch did land on the abdomen.

So whilst i give Usyk credit for beating bigger guys and he does deserve significant credit for it. Let's also put into perspective that Joshua has been dominated twice by Dubois, Ruiz. Fury has came close to losing to an MMA fighter, Wallin, and has been floored 8 times in his career. Good wins in regards to the size difference ? absolutely. But neither fighter would be in my top 20 Heavyweights so that's how i look at it.

 

Plenty of steroid cheats are God fearing
Floyd and manny fought way more fighters that are levels above the bellew, huck and Fury types

If you want to live in a delusional fantasy land that usyk is the Goat? By all means, but 99.99% will disagree

Goats don't struggle with a bum who scraped by an mma fighter just previous

 

Glass Jaw Roy handpicking Ruiz is in no way comparable to what Usyk has done. Lennox Lewis was THE champion not John friggin Ruiz who was the worst of the bunch at the time and the lone reason Roy picked him

 

RJJ started off as a Middleweight and was 5'10 with a 72 inch reach how can you compare that to Usyk who is 6'3 78 inch reach and has had Heavyweight fights in WSB from 2013 which was a decade ago where he weighed 211 pounds ? clearly Usyk has always been Heavyweight sized he's just not a "Super Heavyweight" and he has bulked up and put on some weight as he's got older as we all do.

 

Usyk is A great boxer and appears to be a greater man for sure than Floyd and manny, but boxer? Not for me

But we can disagree