Oleksandr Usyk is clearly the best fighter of the 21st century uncontested.

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unwarranted ? The premise of the thread already warrants criticism. Complete disrespect to the Pacquiaos and Inoues for suggesting Usyk is the best boxer of the century uncontested, not even clear of Floyd. This is where half the criticism comes from, a response to the the exaggerated extollation
     
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  2. turbotime

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    The disrespect given to Roy Jones and Hopkins...
     
  3. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did Usyk disrespect Inoue or Pac?

    No??

    Then, yes, that line of criticism would be entirely unwarranted.

    How fans rate-- or overrate-- Usyk has nothing to do with his ability, character etc and thus whether he's worthy of criticism.

    That much should have been obvious...but here we are.
     
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  4. Serge

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    It's beyond comical watching Floyd fans of all people crying baba tears about Usyk fans ''disrespecting'' other greats from previous eras when Floyd himself is literally the poster boy for doing that himself and his fans also being some of the worst culprits. They pooped on these greats who took risks Floyd never would've dared do in million years but one thing we know for sure is that Usyk would've done so at the drop of a hat on a deck heavily stacked against him.

    If ''disrespecting'' the greats is something you take issue with Floyd would be the last fighter you'd worship at the altar of and Usyk is the complete antithesis of that. He's so incredibly humble he'd pick them all over himself.

    And what could be more disrespectful than fans of walking pharmacy lab creation PED cheats constantly ignoring the fact their idols are artificially enhanced PED cheats when comparing them to Usyk?

    And even worse then maliciously accusing Usyk of being a PED cheat just to try and mitigate the fact their idols were cheats. The problem is not overzealous Usyk fans it's you guys.
     
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  5. Serge

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    Yeah it's just downright nasty to maliciously smear Usyk like that given the impeccable character and conduct of the man, hoops. He literally embodies everything that is right, noble and great about the sport and the fact they damn well know this too really does say an awful lot about them.

    There's definitely more to this animus than it just being due to his ''annoying fans'' that's for goddamn sure.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    It isn't unwarranted when the criticisms are a response to people are making arguments that Usyk is the best of the century above everyone else, which is hilariously inaccurate.

    Yet here we are, most criticizing Usyks resume in this thread is exactly that, explaining why Usyk isn't greater than some aforementioned. Or perhaps you're just strawmanning as usual and I just fell for the bait
     
  7. hoopsman

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    Strawmanning as usual?

    Kindly forward some examples of my previous "strawmanning." Take your time. I'll wait.

    So, to reiterate, your position is that Usyk warrants criticism......because his fans overrate him? Brilliant, totally unimpeachable logic there, my guy.

    But I'm feeling charitable, so here's a pro-tip-- if you have an issue with how fans rate Usyk, the logical approach would be to level that criticism at.....wait for it now......his fans. Wow--that'd be a novel approach, huh?

    For example, I have had many back-and-forths with Floyd The Best Ever, YO! types, and I have had no trouble separating warranted criticism (ie questioning the judgment of the fans who said as much) without engaging in unwarranted criticism of the fighter (ie ridiculously claiming Floyd was cowardly etc).

    However, if you---or anyone else on here for that matter--- are incapable or unwilling to do the same, that's your problem, not mine.
     
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  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In this thread sure, especially for the historical comparisons, because warrent means to justify, don't overthink it. The position of the thread topic is asking for it. Criticism at its core is mere judgement of qualities, not necessarily disapproval, but that doesn't get through narrow minds
     
  9. Barrf

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    lol. No. It’s a tie for #1 between Mayweather and Pacquaio, #2 is probably Canelo.

    don’t get me wrong, Usyk is special. But he does not have the resume of these guys, and he’s too old to develop one.
     
  10. Salty Dog

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    :lol: You suffer Stockholm Syndrome by proxy.