Oleksandr Usyk or Mike Tyson - who's the Greatest of the two?

So 20-year-old Usyk would knock out Trevor Berbick?

 

No that's clearly not what I meant but I think that would be plainly obvious without you deliberately being obtuse suggesting I'd rate Wilder a higher win because he's "American".

My point is/was half of Usyk's Heavyweight resume are rematches. And that Tyson had a much broader/deeper Heavyweight resume hence I rate Tyson higher in the Heavyweight rankings.

 

I wasn't being obtuse
I am aware that there are rematches
I genuinely didn't know why you mentioned where they were from... that's not obtuse
They were considered the best available at those times

 

You posted a silly question expecting me to answer it in which you already knew the answer hence "deliberately being obtuse"

I never said they weren't ? So why are you even bringing it up ?

 

Which fighter of note did Bruno ever KO? Look at his scrap with Bonecrusher, it looks like a slightly advanced bar room brawl with flailing arms and all.

Dubois took the shots well from guys like Miller, Hrgovic and AJ. Even Joyce needed 10+ rounds to bust his eye socket. All of those men are much bigger and tougher than Tyson (maybe excluding AJ, but he never quit vs Dubois).

Tyson at 38 wasn't even a top 50 HW.

 

Both of them look more skilled than Joyce, Whyte and Chisora

Bruno is literally more technical than Dubois, they have a very similar style, Dubois is just more raw. You have to be trolling

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Tyson at 38 wasn't evena top 50 HW?

Dont be daft, on name value alone he would have been ranked somewhere

If you really don't think Bruno had great power I don't know what to say
Sure on many occasions he wasn't good enough to land such a punch but we're not talking about how good he was
Although your trying to move the goalposts

You said he wasn't that much of a puncher, which just isn't true

And using Miller, Hrgovic and Joyce as examples is poor
Joyce granted could wear an opponent down with constent punches as you eluded to against DD
But the other two are literally feather fisted for their sizes

Yet Bruno can't punch

 

Coetzee is literally standing in front of Bruno with his hands at his chest... Absolutely terrible.

Look at the Bonecrusher Smith - Bruno fight. It looks like a slightly advanced bar room brawl with arm punches and chins up in the air.

 

In your opinion -
It was silly of me to ask you why you mentioned about Usyks opponents being British after your statement below

When they were the best opponents the division had to offer.

Now you are back tracking asking me why I would mention it, when you were the one to bring it up in the first place.
See the irony? Or are you now being obtuse?

 

Stand in front ? Like almost every single boxer in the modern generation who aren't actively using the ring or angles ? Lol

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You're over exaggerating. This looks like a proper slugfest, not a bar room brawl

 

This is like beating a dead horse this is my last reply to this pointless conversation.

It's either two things.

1. You're deliberately being obtuse asking me if i'd rate a shot Wilder as a better win because he's "American" in which you already know the answer to that question as it's plainly obvious.

2. Or you're suggesting i'm belittling UK Heavyweights which is absolutely ridiculous especially since i'm from the UK myself.

In which i've never denied ? which i said in my previous post ? so why do you keep repeating an argument i've not even disputed ?

How have i backtracked ? i clarified exactly what i said should i repeat it ?

"My point is/was half of Usyk's Heavyweight resume are rematches. And that Tyson had a much broader/deeper Heavyweight resume hence I rate Tyson higher in the Heavyweight rankings."

 

Or more properly, robotic windmilling with zero technique. A more refined version of a bar room brawl. Flailing arm punches with chins up in the air.

But is it entertaining? To a certain extent, yes. But once they get exhausted after 4-5 rounds or so anything called fundamentals fall apart.

 

Bruno was not generally windmilling and there were plenty of straight shots and hooks in there, you also confuse windmilling with overhand rights. Smith windmills less than Wilder, about as much Whyte and Chisora and none of them are comprehensively more talented besides Wilder who has half the skill of Bonecrusher. It doesn't make sense to criticize them and then glorify Daniel Dubois who is less technical than Bruno.

The right hand Dubois caught Joshua with in round 1 was just as much of a windmill punch.

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Usyk. And it’s not even close

 

FWIW bud, I took his post in the same way you did. It came across like he was denigrating Usyk’s defenses with Joshua, Fury, and Dubois because they’re rematches against British heavyweights.
And not only were Joshua and Fury still considered the best heavyweights after Usyk beat them, but he was legally and contractually to give them rematches.