Oleksandr Usyk outclasses Joe Louis.

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  1. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Too big a difference in eras, Usyk demolishes Louis regardless of his raw power, there's no need to even talk about the difference in skills...
     
    CroBox29, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:06 AM
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Joe Louis is one of the tiny number of heavyweights who is more skilled than Oleksander Usyk.

    I think Louis would knock him out but it's so difficult to visualise that because Usyk has never been stopped (and now never will be, meaningfully).
     
    McGrain, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:11 AM
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why do people feel they need to discredit past great fighters when someone is coming off a recent win ?

    A shockingly bad post and so much disrespect.
     
    Dynamicpuncher, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:18 AM
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Terrible post to put it nicely. Louis all day
     
    robert ungurean, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:26 AM
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  5. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    CroBox, you can stop now, you've done enough kiddo. Give it a rest.
     
    Mandela2039, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:29 AM
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  6. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am still waiting on the who is better P4P thread :p
     
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  7. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love Joe Louis but I can't see Uysk being out boxed by Billy Conn or dropped by Galento or getting Koed by Schmelling. Not sure how anyone can say more skilled. Uysk has beaten significantly larger men as well highly skilled cruiserweights with very deep amateur backgrounds.

    Joe Louis will rightly be remembered as a greater champion. 12 years is a long time to hold a title and Uysk will never top that but saying Louis is more skilled? I respectfully disagree.
     
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  8. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "[Recency Bias] can have a strong influence on the weak-minded." — Obi Wan Kenobi
     
    Man_Machine, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:47 AM
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  9. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well lets see him INCREASE his Fight numbers by even 25% - 33%, nevermind double them or triple them... Why, you ask, because the More Fights one takes, the more the odds go in the favour that you WILL eventually get beaten, maybe even quite a bit with such numbers.

    Why the hell do you think Fury and his Ilk - AREN'T taken them.

    Hell, lets see Usyk against PARKER first, nevermind increasing his fight numbers... again Because it Makes a Difference and in a lot of cases a Big Difference.

    this craziness has to stop.
     
    thistle, Jul 23, 2025 at 10:59 AM
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  10. McGrain

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    I can't either, but I don't think he out-boxed Louis, either. Out-hustled, out-hit, out-thought...but all "for a spell." Conn finished that fight on his back.

    It would surprise me also, but Usyk and Louis are playing very different kinds of tricks. FLashing Usyk is worth about a point, flashing Louis is worth the same on paper, but minus x if you're coming forwards as a habit to achieve that KD.

    I think that this is a little short-sighted though. Not in a real, concrete "Usyk vs Schmeling" sense, I have a well-attended thread about that imagined fight :lol: but in a more important way. Joe's amateur career lasted a little less than two years off the top of my head. Usyk's lasted the best part of a decade. It's hard to know exactly how Usyk's learning and Joe's learning and their experience and their physicality and durability can be compared. Louis met Schmeling after fighting for four years as an amateur and pro. But if we say Usyk met a former world champion still in his prime in his fourth year as a fighter, he would get killed. He lost to a 22-5 am called Egor Mekhontsev over three the same "year" :lol: Joe Louis would have taken that guy's life the year he lost to Schmeling. Louis, who was allowed the same number of years for learning, was matched with one of the best fighters that had been alive up until that point.

    The comparison cannot be made in a sensible way, so it's basically unhelpful to make. Usyk was essentially so protected compared to Louis in the strictest sense of the word (not risked in a meaningful way, while allowing learning) that there's no way to introduce an equivalent stage of his career for him to fight such a threat. By the time he's got the requisite professional experience, he's already had so much more total experience that it becomes unreasonable to consider.

    So, disagree. I can see him getting knocked out by a Schmeling equivalent, and certainly in the same "year" Louis lost to him. Staging it meaningfully though is too difficult.

    More skilled. A better hook, a better trailing hand, better uppercuts, better bodypunches, better combination punching, better feints, he's clearly a better trap smith and in fact might be the single best fighter at bringing a fighter onto his punches that there's ever been, he's a better in-fighter.
     
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  11. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Uysk, like a lot of Eastern European fighter's spent years fighting in the amateurs. He went 335-15 before turning pro. It's not like he is just some guy new to boxing. Back in Louis's era, guy's didn't stay amateur long because, they had to eat. Uysk has actually fought more rounds than Louis.
     
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  12. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good Point, however he is not an adolesent aymore, he is nearing the slower years, even 10 more fights for this guy would throw out a surprise or 3.

    anyway, I'm not against him, I just don't think he is suddenly in the last couple of fights, a Canonized Saint!
     
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  13. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The 30s is a better era then this one and Louis effortlessly cracked many better chins then Usyks.

    John Henry Lewis was a much more skilled fighter than Usyk. Louis knocked him out in 1 10-7 round.

    Louis was the HW GOAT by 25 and many of his contemparies had HOF careers by that age. At 25 Usyk didn't even debut yet.
     
    HistoryZero26, Jul 23, 2025 at 11:19 AM
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  14. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing rec says he went 88-12.

    He had 335 amateur rounds. Lol.
     
    HistoryZero26, Jul 23, 2025 at 11:28 AM
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  15. ThatOne

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    Aren't amateur bouts three rounds and fought with head gear?
     
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