Oleksandr Usyk outclasses Joe Louis.

Not only did they have to eat but it wasn’t prestigious in most circles to have a lot of amateur bouts back then, it was a place to sharpen your skills and get rid of bad habits 200 ammy fights was a sign you couldn’t fight if anything.

 

Nobody Louis fought would make the top 5 in the 70s h2h. A bunch of stiff with little head movement probing the jab leaving their chin in the air. We know for a fact based on experimentation that Foreman and Holems as old men could remain competitive with anatomically modern heavyweights. You always talk about the trouble big men bring but not the trouble Ali brings. Frazier goes through Louis's resume undefeated. Frazier even back in the 70s still looks more skilled than guys like Chisora, Whyte, Gassiev and 2 weight champion Zurdo.

Joe Louis is very skilled, but a suspect chin, basic, no lateral movement, plodding feet, was scared of southpaws

 

Karl Mildenberger would be an utter nightmare in Joe Louis's era. Eddie Machen is more evolved than anyone in Joe Louis's era and could handle Liston

An eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth

 

lol Frazier, Foreman and Norton would all lose to somebody in Louis’s era… they absolutely would I’d pick Walcott over Foreman and both Baers would orbit Norton, heck even Galento remember he’s the guy who got KO’d by a 188lber lol… Frazier would be WRECKED by Louis so quickly it’d make you think Futch didn’t teach him anything. FFS lol “basic” “plodding feet” and “no lateral movement” talking to you about Louis would be like arguing with a hen, the 70s are overrated H2H and the trouble Ali would bring to big guys? Based on Norton, Terell and Bugner… not much, he feasted on actual basic plodding punchers like Lyle, M Foster, Liston and Foreman, take a look at the great Ali vs Bonavena LOL YEP his most impressive showings in the 70s were against either little guys or boxing troglodytes, sometimes he didn’t even look good against a fusion of both… (Bonavena) how about against Cooper? Mildenbeger? Doug Jones? Come off it, he’s not superman and neither is Louis but uncompetitive today? No, he’d be a contender and champion briefly, Ali would be in the same boat but worse off, you even agreed Louis had a better style for today lol.

 

Walcott lost to a dozen fringe contenders and a couple journeyman. There's no way he's a top contender in the 70s. Guys in Joe Louis's era have lost to or gotten knocked out by smaller guys than Garcia who you criticize Norton for losing to. Louis has never even fought a pressure fighter with defense as complex as Fraziers and Frazier was no defensive wizard

Eddie Machen would clear Joe Louis's era

 

Ali lost to an actual novice a future Journeyman, Norton (the guy whose best win is a robbery over Young and Shot Quarry…) and Enry Cooper KO’d him or would you like to return to objective context? Again, you’re throwing out forum buzz terms like “Louis had no lateral movement and was a plodder bro” but you don’t even understand what you’re watching.

 

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Nobody in Joe Louis's era was as slick and agile as Machen. Look at the footage. Footage is always objective and i never saw a reason why top guys in the 60s 70s couldn't compete now. This was the era when PEDs became available to athletes. The same cannot be said beforehand. Machen is a complete nightmare for guys in the 30s and 40s. Nobody was cutting angles like that, not even Walcott who lost to several journeymen in his prime.

Bonavena would look elite compared to the best guys in Louis’s era bar Ezzard Charles

 

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here is an old 40s super middleweight guy who spent his career getting whipped by late 30s-40s fighters beating your evolved specimen lol.

 

Why does Tyson Fury wear his trunks so high?

 

His legs go all the way up

 

Johnson came around when Louis was pretty much done, Evolution is a spectrum so it's no suprise.

Joe Louis was struggling with a modern day super middleweight Billy Conn. But you sweep this under the rug. .

He was knocked down and hurt by multiple sub 200 pounders, but for some reasons this doesn't matter. Its only when those less frequent events happen in the 70s that you call it out

Just like an old ass Foreman and Holmes who had a lesser resume than Ali still made the top 10 in the 90s, you will get mixed results if you have fighters from all eras fight eachother and holds true even if you go back a century. The 90s are modern day heavyweights though, so that's the far better proof that Ali would do better today. But you have it out for the 70s, so it is what it is.

Ali boxes Louis's face off. Norton would beat Archie Moore h2h and virtually everyone in Louis’s era, since you think h2h opinions matter so much

 

Ahaha cool it Mark it ain’t no biggie. I gather you didn’t like that did you? Was Harold Johnson too objective for you? - I think we should stop here, I don’t think you’re enjoying this anymore and I like you man, I’m usually wrong anyway so just take the W.

 

Lol late 40s and 50s is when the vast majority of fighters started looking more technical. Evolution is gradual so it makes sense, but it's laughable that you think Joe Louis does better today than Ali. Ali was tougher, faster, more agile, better head movement, more dynamic with his feints and footwork, harder to read and could counter punch going backwards. Louis could never do that. And he was around when PEDs entered the scene

He actually beat someone who won a title in the 1990s. The 90s heavyweights are modern day athletes. The evidence is in favor of Ali doing better, especially when someone like Michael Hunter beat Bakole and gave Povetkin fits. Cunningham never fought super heavyweights and still gave Fury all he could handle. Your logic is ridiculous, and quite funny to break down

 

Did the 60s and 70s rooster of Heavyweights ran a train on your mother? HOW is Ken Norton a journeyman? this is not even criticism anymore, just clear hate

 

“Eddie Machen is too evolved a nightmare for the 30s-40s guys” and then I show you he got beat by a 32 year old 40s super middleweight who was losing to 30s fighters… and it has you writing a whole bunch of stuff, I think the least you could do is take back the statement that Machen is a “nightmare” for the Louis era and the 40s lol.