Oleksandr Usyk outclasses Joe Louis.

I didn’t say Norton was a journeyman… Young was the future Journeyman I refer to, please don’t bring my mother into fictional boxing discussions, I don’t like her but shes irrelevant.

 

He was relevant in the 50s and 60s and turned pro as a teenager, not really apart of Louis's era in his prime. He still looked more modern than say a Max Baer. When you have all eras fight eachother you get mixed results, styles do make fights. But i will stand on my main position. Someone like Tiger Fox or Johnny Allen would not be top 10 in the 70s. Abe Simon would get washed by Chuck Wepner and Gehard Zech.

The talent pool in the 70s was greater. I see it with my own eyes. This is why I find it hilarious that you downplay Alis era only to claim Louis does better against modern heavyweights when the evidenceis in favor of ali. Joe Louis was literally terrified of Southpaws. There was never a southpaw even as good as Karl Mildenberger who is underrated and very technical even compared to today. Zurdo is not more skilled than Karl Mildenberger

 

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Gerhard Zech is mediocre and looks leagues above Abe Simon and Buddy Baer. And he was a southpaw. He knew how to fight off the ropes too. How is he not top 3 in Louis's era ????

 

His most relevant career losses came at the hands of old guys from the 30s… Harold turned pro in 46 thus he got his education in the 40s before he turned pro…. he was not a 50s guy or a 60s guy. You’re throwing a 100 things out there I’m not dragging this debate to different waters, this is what we are talking about one thing at a time. Folley got beat by a guy from the 40s and who lost to old guys from the 30s lol.

 

That fight could have gone either way and they didn't fight Machen. Styles make fights.

You can do the same exact thing with boxers from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s to support Alis or others h2h standing by claiming old boxers made new ones strugge, etc.

Face it, the talent pool in the 70s is superior to the 30s and 40s. The talent pool today is better than the 70s but probably not the 90s where Foreman and Holmes as old men could scratch the top 10.

You have yet to explain why Louis fairs better in todays roster than Muhammad Ali other than "he has the style for it and Ali doesn't" in no world does Louis do better against Tyson Fury than Muhammad Ali, there's no way. It would not happen

 

I may be among that “element”.

I’m currently chasing up a fully articulated, scaled down sized Usyk action figure - but it has to come with talking features also -

As far as “talking” goes, alls I want is 1) “I am very feel”, 2) “Don’t be afraid Tyson, I will not leave you alone” and the most recent gem 3) “Don’t push the horses”.

Oh, and an additional, bonus Cossack warrior costume to dress my action figure up in from
time to time would be cool also - especially on the colder days.

Well pickled and embalmed Michael Buffer was suitably impressed by that costume - and quite obviously, so was I - it had a very strong, Dr Zhivago vibe about it. “Somewhere my love…” - a real jewellery box favourite that is .

If all this don’t already exist I’m trade marking the ideas right now. T.M.

 

I’ll be the bunny. To hide his stretch marks?

 

And not just untested as a pro. When considering a guy like Stevenson, he was as “pro” and as experienced as any am fighter could ever hope to be. Being Cuban meant that the ams forever remained his ongoing, Twilight Zone arena for boxing.

Relative to Stevenson’s own singular, non pro career, some of the names he beat in the ams who later became decent pros were, by comparison, basically transient ams when they fought him - still very much in their developmental stages - still works in progress, so to speak.

 

Think it odd so many like Usyk here. Prob the worst fight he could get. Worse than Ali. Usyk is elusive but not in the style that would make it difficult for Louis. He’s gonna get beat to the punch and countered to death. In prime Louis was just a bad man. Hands to quick combos to good. KO power to great.

 

Well it’s ironic that the some people who claim that Ali’s attributes are mythologised are the same people who exaggerate Usyk’s evasive abilities.

I mean those abilities are very good but they haven’t been without a fair number of chin checks and Usyk coming out of fights somewhat marked up.

He certainly isn’t un-hittable and has been caught well by men lesser than Joe Louis.

 

Absolute crazy talk.