Oleksandr Usyk v Ike Ibeabuchi how does it go?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by daverobin, Oct 1, 2021.


  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,123
    May 29, 2007
    Byrd was extremely mobile and skilful as tricky southpaw, Olympian medalist who won the heavyweight title. I have absolutely nothing against Usyk who I rate very highly even before the AJ victory. In my opinion he is pound for pound the best boxer in the world right now and I felt he was better than Lomachenko personally. You do know Ike was better than AJ more fundamentally sound with an all round game. Ike was like Evander Holyfield just bigger and stronger and just as good.
     
  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,123
    May 29, 2007
    Good one made me laugh .
     
  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,123
    May 29, 2007
    That was a stupid comment the guy saying Ike was to small for Usyk. Some posters here don’t know **** about boxing.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

    31,316
    29,508
    Apr 4, 2005
    True Byrd was mobile and elusive but he loved to fight in the pocket, he spent periods of the fight with Ike backed up, hands down, slipping shots and even trading with him and eventually that cost him against Ike.

    Usyk doesn't fight this way, he'd keep it in the centre of the ring, stay off the ropes and keep making Ike reset. Ike isn't light on his feet, he often steps in with a wide stance for leverage for his power shots and while the cuts the distance at first it doesn't allow him to easily change angles and against Usyk that's going to leave Ike struggling to land consistently.

    Ike does give Usyk a tougher fight though, based on styles, you are right about that. Ike can throw a lot and won't stop coming even if Usyk lands cleanly.
     
    catchwtboxing and MarkusFlorez99 like this.
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,116
    17,123
    Jan 13, 2021
    This
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,116
    17,123
    Jan 13, 2021
    Like Brighton said, Byrd has great movement as shown against Tua but against Ibeabuchi he was up close a lot more than against Tua, slipping, and that's how he eventually got clipped. Usyk would not do this. Usyk is also bigger than Byrd and has a better chin. Ibeabuchi probably would give him a tougher fight than Joshua and he's a live dog but i favor Usyk
     
    Heavy_Hitter and Brighton bomber like this.
  7. Conteh'sLeft

    Conteh'sLeft Active Member Full Member

    955
    1,651
    May 23, 2021
    You like to see big men hug it out, don't ya?
     
  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,123
    May 29, 2007
    I favour Ike strongly. A guy like Ike makes you fight the fight you don’t want to.
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,116
    17,123
    Jan 13, 2021
    Wrong, movement will heavily trouble Ibeabuchi, as Byrd showed, but Byrd got too comfortable in the pocket because Byrd is good in the pocket but not as good as Ike and that was his downfall. Usyk wins. You underestimated Usyk against Joshua and Joyce and now you're underestimating him here. Usyk is the favorite because he's a better pure boxer than Ike and will move around more than Byrd, and he has a better chin. Ike is arguably on Holyfields level in terms of infighting but in terms of pressure fighting he's not even close.

    Usyk takes it
     
    catchwtboxing likes this.
  10. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,376
    6,930
    Feb 5, 2016
    He would need to be almost double that to pose Usyk any real threat.
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,116
    17,123
    Jan 13, 2021
    Ibeabuchi is certainly better than Chisora, but i just think it's his robotic style and slow feet that plays into Usyk's hands. If he were say, as good on the front foot as Frazier he'd cause Usyk all sorts of problems with his workrate as shown against Tua regardless of his size.

    But i do definitely favor Usyk, no disagreement there at all.
     
  12. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,376
    6,930
    Feb 5, 2016
    Now if we're talking about Frazier who would give Usyk all kinds of fits then he wouldn't need to be 10 feet tall to beat Usyk. 7 foot would be a good scrap I would rule 50/50 though.
     
    MarkusFlorez99 likes this.
  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

    27,342
    10,123
    May 29, 2007
    I did not underestimate Usyk more a case of underrating the tactical ineptitude of Robert McCracken’s fight strategy. When you fight a master boxer you don’t go in their to box with him rather as the bigger stronger taller man you put it on him. Even feet positioning was all wrong.
     
  14. wolfish

    wolfish New Member Full Member

    48
    15
    Feb 19, 2012
    Ike was 245lb as I remember.
     
  15. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    71,104
    27,857
    Jul 26, 2004
    Interesting matchup. I have to go with Ike though. In a somewhat flip from the norm, I think Usyk is competitive early (as opposed to coming on later), but that Ikes power and relentlessness begins to take over and he winds up catching Usyk with shots mid fight that Usyks brain doesnt handle too well.

    I'll say Ike UD or late stoppage.


    ......

    Edit : Just watched Ike vs Byrd. Had been 5 years or more since I last watched it. Ike is slower and more plodding than I remember.

    Byrd is also slower than I remember. Byrd did pretty good job at making Ike miss... until he didnt. Byrd started out well but for some reason in the 4th he starts to become stationary. He quite literally backs himself into the corner.

    I dont know if he started getting overconfident in his ability to time Ike, and felt he could also handle the power, but was a stupid tactic change by Byrd. And one Usyk wouldnt make.

    Usyk would be fighting at a high pace, constant movement, and dictating the distance its fought at, at all times.

    Fight is closer than I thought. I think Usyk has a good chance here actually.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2021
    catchwtboxing likes this.