Oleksandr Usyk Versus Mike Tyson

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Timestamp, the full fight is up. Chisora approached whyte like he approaches everyone else, he fought the same in both fights, did nothing different here compared to his fight with Pulev who had pillowfists and no offense apart from a jab and a right hand. Pulev has less power than Tubbs and doesn't even use his weight to lean on fighters so why even mention it ? Their reach was similar and they're about the same height. Chisora is one dimensional and Tubbs doesn’t have to knock him out to school him. Smith hits harder than Chisora, has a longer faster jab which is funny considering James Smith typically looks slow until he's compared to Chisora. Smith is better than Chisora who is a bigger version of Bert Cooper, you're not going to tell me otherwise, because you have nothing to back your argument apart from ridiculous hypothetical "h2h" claims when anyone can slap the "h2h" label on their favorite fighter in the discussion

If Tubbs could fight off an undefeated Bowe, Page and Smith, he can beat Chisora. He was a champion unlike Chisora who got about as many title shots.

 

Go to Chisora vs Whyte I and start watching from 0:54 of round 3. Look at how Chisora is staying at range, throwing double jabs, bobbing and weaving around Whyte’s shots and throws a short combo at range before backing up again until 0:34. This was a close fight as well and Chisora was more aggressive because this was their first encounter.

Now to go to the rematch and watch between 1:45-1:00 round 2. Watch how Chisora walks forward with a high guard, moves his head around Whyte’s jabs and slowly pokes forward with jabs instead of just lunging in with an overhand. Watch how he just throws two body shots and then backs up instead of working on the inside.

Now go watch the first 2 rounds of Chisora vs Pulev. Watch how Chisora rarely moves his head, tries to close the distance with huge overhands after some empty jabs and keeps holding and hitting Pulev on the inside. How he has no fear for a counter and is a lot more aggressive.

Funny you say that because Pulev clinched Chisora almost anytime he got too close and was landing harder 1-2s than the flurries Tubbs commonly threw. He was fighting quite a bit like Wladimir Klitschko stylistically, just worse. Smiths jabs were worse than the ones Chisora threw against Whyte and they were enough to trap Tubbs behind a high guard open to body-shots and backing off. Ok then like I said, dont argue h2h matchups, I dont see what you are still crying about.

If Butler can flatline KO and damn near kill Tubbs then so can Chisora. Two can play that game.

 

This isn’t a summary of Chisoras tactics and i was expecting dozens of time stamps to get the point across.

Chisora was bobbing and weaving his head against Pulev, throwing jabs to find his range and still got schooled because Pulev is better at dictating space than Whyte, has faster hands and nullified Chisora with clinching, blocking telegraphed overhands and a jab. You don't need to do anything special to beat Chisora, he's one dimensional. In the end Tubbs is more skilled and is factually more athletic. He also has the better wins of rankings. Your h2h is just hypothetical.

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Watch the start of round 3, or watch the whole fight, doesn't make a difference

Because Tubbs doesn’t know how to clinch ? Lol Pulev doesn't have power, he hits no harder than Tony Tubbs and doesn't counter punch nor does he have the hand speed and is more upright with less range of head movement compared to Tubbs. Tubbs could fight off the ropes too but that was just one option. Better jabs ? Don't make me laugh. Smith would KO Chisora since you want to talk about h2h. I'll target you everytime you spout nonsense and the pursuit will not stop. "Ngannou would beat everyone Tubbs beat in the 80s" LOL

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He was moving his head a lot more against Whyte and had his hands higher up. He was also using his jab more and throwing straighter punches with more defensive awareness and less aggression. All this is because Whyte threatened Chisora with his counters in the pocket and stood his ground in the exchanges, while Pulev boxed on his backfoot with his range, jab and 1-2s. Everyone that beat Chisora was either a top contender or a champion, Tubbs got flatlined by a journeyman. No one cares about rankings and wins, this is a h2h discussion, just leave if you don’t want to argue about that. You dont even know what tf you are arguing here. I do not care about who beat who and I wont respond if you bring that up and derail the topic again, take your ADHD meds for the sake of everyone.

Ok show me Tubbs throwing harder right hands than the ones that snapped Chisora’s head back. Countering, handspeed, none of that matters, Pulev didnt use any of that to beat Chisora. He stood upright to maximize his range and was light on his feet. He kept moving around with a consistent jab and clinched Chisora whenever Chisora closed the distance. He threw accurate 1-2s when he could before disengaging and moving around again. He caught Chisora coming with uppercuts before clinching to smother his offense then broke off and started moving again. Tubbs does not fight like that. He is flat-footed, stays in front of you and throws flurries and counters without much power. He’d get overpowered on the inside by Chisora, so would James Smith on his way to a decision loss. “I'll target you everytime you spout nonsense and the pursuit will not stop.” You are not Batman lil bro, you literally do not exist for me if I dont respond, you are lucky I have the time to entertain your bullsh*t.

And you are once again lying about the Ngannou statement, but at this point Im pretty sure you just can’t read.

 

He was dodging more blows because Whyte is slower, couldn't keep the distance and had to rely on his toughness (Whyte doesnt have a good chin), counter punching to beat Chisora. He wasn't moving his head less, he just got caught more and measured. Watch the full fight. Chisora approached Pulev the same exact way and got nullified by a basic jab, clinching and Pulev barely threw any hooks too, thats why Chisora looked less defensively sound. Thats what happens when he faces a decent pure boxer and not a slow gun slinger. Pulev isn't close to Usyks level either

None of this matters ? So it can't be helpful against someone who telegraphs his shots, is relatively slow, and only fights one way ? Are you delusional ? if Pulev was faster and could counter punch on top of everything you don't think the fight would've been easier ?

"Fast hands and counter pucnhing don't matter"

Pulev had 0 head movement.

Who moves around the ring more, is faster, throws in combinations and uses more angles ? Tubbs. Who is a better counter puncher ? Tubbs. Who has more varied offense ? Tubbs

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Tubbs can’t throw uppercuts, block, move around the ring and clinch ? Is that what you're implying here ? He throws almost every punch in the book

Chisora overpowering Smith LOL. Outworking is one thing, but Chisora would probably get knocked out with a chopping right hand. Talking this dude up like he's as good as Ibeabuchi.

Guess what buddy ? Tubbs was a champion and Chisora has never beaten a former world champion has he ? Not a single one. Just off that anyone with critical thinking skills has to question Chisoras chances here. Tubbs has his number just like anyone semi good that Chisora came across. Helanius was never a legitimate contender, got knocked out by Duhaupas and bum Washington, got knocked out as many times as Tubbs but Chisora couldn't floor him once. Where's your logic now ?

Since Chisora is the one with more losses and worse wins, I'm picking the best version of Tubbs to school Derek every minute of the fight because Chisora isn't on Bowe's level. Chisora doesn't even have better defense. As a matter of fact, I can just slap the "h2h better" label on Zolkin and say he dogwalks Chisora because he fought in a more talent rich era and has better fundamentals. Chisora is Tyrell Biggs level

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Pulev has a 43% KO ratio
stop it.

 

It probably depends.

Pre-Douglas Tyson definitely stops Usik

Pre-Holyfield Tyson might stop Usik. Usik may pull out a hard earned victory like Holyfield did in the first bout.

Post-Holyfield Tyson is ready for the taking.

 

Footage is there, I cant help you if you watch those matches and dont see a difference in approaches, go see a doctor.

Handspeed and counterpunching are irrelevant because it had nothing to do with why Pulev won that match. You need to show someone using those attributes to beat Chisora to prove that it would be useful for Tubbs, otherwise it has no significance here, literally none, you cant show Pulev beating Chisora fighting like Klitschko then say “thats why Tubbs beats Chisora”. Thats why generic arguments like “Pulev 0 head movement, Tubbs has better angles, combinations, variety etc” dont mean jack-sh*t either, you need to show any of that working against Chisora in the way Tubbs would do it, but you cant because you dont actually watch matches.

You are free to show me him jabbing someone at long range, then catching him with an uppercut on the way in before clinching and moving around at range while jabbing again. As I said, Pulev literally fought like Klitschko that night. Tubbs wasnt like that. Even against Page he was stationary the whole time.

Tell Smith to knock Marvis Frazier out first, and dont even mention Hypeabuchi.

Yeah, things were so bad a title holder was KO’d by Butler, imagine Chisora during that time, he’d kill someone. And nice job bringing up Helenius’ losses 5 years after he beat Chisora as an undefeated fighter with a win over Samuel Peter, you are as embarrassing and ignorant as usual.

Do whatever you want, you are wrong and you can’t give a single argument as to why Tubbs beats Chisora beyond “He HaS a BeTtEr ReSuMe”

 

Prime Mike?
No need for Chiz-dog to enter the chat, Mike wrecks Usyk

 

Considering Tubbs has better wins, less losses, won a title and beat people who hit as hard as Chisora or harder, it's you who needs to show a clip of Chisora besting someone with Tonys attributes. But that footage doesn't exist. Parker is the closest guy but he can't fight on the inside or off the ropes like Tubbs, he is more durable but guess what, Parker beat Chisora twice.

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Kabayel beat Chisora both standing in front of him and moving around. Boxing him up with superior speed, footwork, a constant jab and beat him to the punch.

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Haye knocked Chisora out by using the ring, running him onto counter shots. The only other known heavyweight Haye knocked out was a shot Ruiz and a fat James Toney also knocked him out

Is this the only way to beat Chisora ? No it isn't. Put on your bifocals. You said Tubbs vs someone ? He boxed up Seldon just like he would Chisora. Bruce is faster than Chisora, moving his head, jabbing, walking Tubbs down, throwing less haymakers and more technically correct punchers than Chisora and Tubbs delt with him comfortably by using his jab, moving to his left, winning rounds with fast combinations, etc. He would light Chisora up like a christmas tree. Him standing in front of his opposition is a consequence of him being capable in the pocket. He would beat Chisora in the pocket or on the backfoot. Almost every fighter has off days, but logically Chisora cannot be a bigger threat than Bowe.

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Chisora has never beaten a former champion lol

The unified champion this generation was knocked out by an obese light heavyweight. Ruiz is fat as sh*t and was unranked when it happened. The top 10 heavyweight Klitschko was knocked out by a journeyman who couldn't even muster a win against Tommy Morrison. Chisora went 8 rounds with Daniil and Butlin both of whom are glass chinned journeyman but Tubbs the guy who went several rounds with Bowe in a close fight isn't good enough to last the distance with Chisora ? Are you joking ?

You're hypothetical BS is less quantifiable for deciding who wins a match up. Resumes don't win fights but neither does your subjective analysis. Will most knowledgeable boxing fans believe Chisora wins or would they favor Tubbs ? Obviously the latter and we can test this theory. I mean you're nowhere near the smartest boxing fan, so a consensus opinion from long boxing fans would be better than a singular one in regards to hypothetical match ups

I already explained how a good version of Dokes would best Chisora and you dismiss it by saying everyone who beat Chisora doesn't fight like Tubbs, when thats the point. All these contenders who beat him didn't have Dokes speed, his combinations, his counter punching, his shifting nor can they consistently fight off the ropes apart from Whyte. You don't need to keep Chisora at range to beat him. Whyte beat this guy. There is no blueprint, just be a world class fighter and you've got Chisoras number, like the dozen people who already beat him. He's a gatekeeper, a bigger slower version of Bert Cooper

 

The fact that you are still bringing up guys like Kabayel and fcking Haye to prove Tubbs can beat Chisora says you don’t read anything I write in my posts, this debate isn’t going anywhere.

 

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Press the play button. Tubbs would dominate Chisora on his best day. You literally said Ngannou would beat ranked heavyweights in the 80s, stop it