Oleksandr Usyk Versus Mike Tyson

This guy doesn't know when he's beaten does he ? How many times have I said "Tyson was Cruiserweight sized as a 14 year old" I mean that comment right there states the obvious that Tyson was not Cruiserweight sized as a grown man.....

Tyson also beat fighters like Bonecrusher, Tucker, Williams, Biggs, who were all 6'4 and above and would not be out of place in this era now size wise.

 

He's gotta be playing the long troll.

 

Hey man. Carne asada is awesome. Don't besmirch it.

 

It isn't routine.

I've recorded the day before fight weigh-in to fight night weight gains from documented, and available in the public domain, sources, for dozens of fights, including the weight of 18 x boxers competing at LHW & CW. 16 of those 18 boxers gained less than 18lbs.

 

I don't understand people throwing out cruiserweight accomplishments when a cruiserweight is being compared with a smaller classical heavyweight?

Larry Holmes was only 209 vs Norton and Holyfield was 208 in his title winning effort vs Douglas. Had Usyk or Gassiev got in a time machine and beaten them they would have received full credit despite their weight. Bowe gets credit for beating a 205 pound Holyfield a guy barely over 200

Bowe is routinely picked over super heavyweights like AJ and Fury despite his best win at heavyweight being a guy barely over 200 pounds

 

Cruiserweight sized could vary from 190s to 220s. There's enormous variation.

Also plenty of guys listed 6'3 6'4 at cruiserweight like Okolie, Riakpore, Bellew, Cieslak, Doricos, Cunningham, Hernandez etc etc

 

I think this much could be profoundly agreed upon.

 

Remind me how much Spinks weighed when he beat Holmes? Holyfield when he beat Foreman, Dokes, and Douglas? Weaver when he beat Coetzee, Tate, Mercado, and Williams? All these events were contemporary or near contemporary with Tyson's title reign

How are Usyks fights with 240+ guys more relevant to fighting a 218 pound Tyson than circa 210 pound cruiserweights? David Haye bombed out Chisora more quickly than Fury or Whyte despite being barely over 200 pounds.

 

Do you even know what you're going on about by now?

 

The question of why Usyk's fights with men who were heavyweights by the 1980s standards are being dismissed.

Guys who could probably beat Tysons heavyweight opponents H2H in some cases

Like Breidis knocking out Bruno
or Gassiev sparking out Williams
or Hunter beating Thomas

 

By now?!?!?!?!?!? Did he EVER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

 

You ever bother to fact-check yourself? Care to validate the first two sentences in your post with actual citations instead of wild extrapolation?

To be clear, no one should be dismissing Usyk's accomplishments below heavyweight. They are relevant just as all of Louis' and Marciano's conquests are relevant to any head-to-head discussion.

What I take issue with is unsubstantiated claims that Usyk's cruiserweight opponents were as big as Mike Tyson. Most of them are at least ten pounds lighter and all of them compare even worse to Tyson's most notable foes (Michael Spinks being the lone exception).

What also doesn't make sense is your assumption that Tyson, who was already 210 as a teenager, could be forced down to 200 without being significantly diminished. Unless you believe that a Tyson that had to make 200 the day before could perform to the exact same level as the Tyson that actually existed, you would then have to conclude that any hypothetical cruiserweight who is or was 220 on the night (I doubt you would be capable of producing one) is or was not a natural 220-pound fighter in the same sense Mike was.

 

Maybe because heavyweights don't have to make weight. It is reasonable classing Gassiev or Briedis as heavyweights but they were not achieving at heavyweight. Larry Holmes at 210 was fighting opponents weighing whatever they wanted to weigh. That is what heavyweight is. If the top 10 crusierweights all weigh 215 pounds it raises the question of how and why they are fighting in the cruiser division, whille other 215 pounders (Wilder, for example) are at heavyweight.
So - if you follow that - it is possible that Deontay Wilder was at least the true #2 'cruiserweight' in the Usyk era, which tarnishes the likes of Gassiev and Briedis etc, because they didn't beat hm..
It works both ways.

 

Wilder failed to fight most of the top heavyweights of his era so if Breidis and Gassiev had fought at heavyweight he realistlly never fights them just like he never fought Dubois, Joyce, Chisora, Whyte, Bakole, Hrgovic, Povetkin, Rivas
etc

In Larry Holmes era a lot of heavyweights came into fights horribly out of shape so a weight limit would have had the advantage of forcing fighters to get in shape and not show up 30 pounds overweight.