Oleksandr Usyk Versus Mike Tyson

Tyson.

 

My main points were that they were all heavyweights by the standards of Tyson era
and that they were closer in size to Tyson than the guys Usyk is facing at heavyweight.
Which of these points do you take issue with?

You were the one you came up with the nonsensical 20 pound weight gap which would require them to be 198 pounds in the ring fight night. It's also not misinformation that we see 20 pound weight gains in 147, 154, 160, 168, and 175 which would logically suggest it sometimes happens at cruiserweight. To believe otherwise, cruiserweight would have to be the sole exception to something that happens in the 5 weight divisions below it which I find hard to believe.

 

Quick Cash could not have been clearer that he objected to your claims that CWs are typically over 220lbs on fight night. After multiple sources disproving that, with no sources offered in counter, you're now changing the goalposts.

And Hunter wasn't 198lbs the night he fought Usyk, he was less.

 

Nope, I only argued some are. Hunter is not representative of Usyk's entire career at cruiserweight is he? Mchunu was 206, Cunnigham 204.
We have very few weights available for cruiserweight so there is no way of proving it one way or another.

Okolie and Riakpore are my main suspects for 220 plus cruiserweights. If someone can find fight night weights for them it would setttle the issue.

 

Wrong.

To quote you verbatim "Tyson is no bigger than today's Cruiserweights".

Tyson was 220lbs at his best.

It's clear to me, and others, that it is this assertion that Quick Cash has called you out on.

It's only after multiple CW fight night weight sources were posted, all sub 210lbs, that you changed your position to the strawman argument that Usyk's CW opponents were closer in weight to prime Tyson than his HW opponents. Quick Cash never claimed otherwise. Nor has anyone so far as I can tell.

 

Two fight night weights for Usyk have been posted. Are you aware of any others? No rehydration weights have been found for Gassiev, Huck, Bellew, etc

 

I'm aware that 5 x CW fight night weights have been quoted in this thread:

Usyk 208lbs vs Mchunu
Usyk 207lbs vs Hunter
Mchunu 206lbs vs Usyk
Cunnigham 204lbs
Hunter vs Usyk 197.5lbs

I'm aware that when he fought Charr at HW, presumably after adding a bit of weight relative to his fighting weight at CW, Bredis was 213lbs.

I'm aware that when Marco Huck challenged Povetkin at HW, he was 209lbs. He obviously won't have weighed more fight night at CW and will almost certainly have weighed less.

I'm aware that when Bellew fought Haye at HW he was 214lbs (when he said he added too much weight and it had an adverse impact on his performance) and 210lbs.

I'm aware that prime Tyson was around 220lbs and so was demonstrably heavier than today's CWs typically are on fight night.

 

If someone can produce more weights for his opponents I'll happily agree they are not the same size as Tyson.

I think Tyson is above average size for a cruiserweight (218 vs 206/207) but smaller than the biggest cruiserweights (Okolie, Riakpore, Tischenko). Maybe about the same size as Opetaia.

 

Mchunu, Cunningham, Huck, Bredis, Hunter & Bellew = 6 of Usyk's CW opponents that either had fight night weights at CW or weighed in at HW (when they'd obviously be no lighter than they were fight night at CW) lighter than prime Tyson vs 0 that you've been able to show weighed even above 206lbs on fight night at CW, let alone the 220lbs prime Tyson averaged.

If 6 vs 0 isn't enough, how many will it take?

 

Plenty more especially given Usyk never fought Cunningham. Huck was 220 in his next fight after Usyk and Gassiev's lightest is 216 since leaving cruiserweight. Gassiev looked to be lean and in shape vs Wallin so that may be indicative of what he fought at cruiserweight.

 

Do you think Huck and/or Gassiev likely weighed more fight night vs Usyk after making 200lbs that they did in any HW fight? If so, why would they be lighter at HW?

 

Probably less so I would take their lightest weights. Gassiev looked out of shape in the 230s but pretty lean and cut vs Wallin at 216.

 

So another less than Tyson, which was your original point, then.

I suspect Gassiev was Usyk's heaviest in the ring opponent at CW.

 

You've produced sweet **** all, others against you have given multiple examples and you ask for MORE in order to agree with them?!?!?!?!

Give it a damn rest it's getting real old at this point. You're wasting the time of posters who actually have a bit of substance about them.

 

The issue is he doesn't want to admit he's wrong so he's going on this lone crusade going against the world because he's stubborn. He just needs to give it a rest admit he's wrong in this case and move on, everyone gets it wrong sometimes i've been schooled a few times on here and been proven wrong and took my medicine and moved on that's part of life. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and admit you got it wrong there's no shame in it.