Oleksandr Usyk vs Deontay Wilder

So you think Usyk stayed away from the big paydays available at heavyweight to stay in the barely watched cruiserweight division for fun? If it was that easy to fight at heavyweight he and all the overrated junior heavyweights would be getting paid right now and not waiting until they're in their mid 30s to make the jump

 

50/50

 

Usyk is very adaptable.

I think he grinds down the scumbag and stops him late on.

 

I never said anything about a "MASSIVE SIZE DIFFERENCE" that's on you. You come across as being very insecure with your reply and your tone implies you think I'm a Wilder fan boy or something. I'm not, not even close. Usyk has shown he's far from untouchable in the heavyweight division and even though he is a far better boxer than Deontay ( who gets out boxed often ) and Wilders power is currently a bit over rated, I still think he's got enough to knock Usyk out cold. 4 inches in height, 5 inch reach advantage if the internet is to be believed are nothing to sneer at. Wilder has quick hands, a pretty good chin. Why you getting so worked up over a fight that will probably never happen anyway? Oh yeah, in case you missed it, which it seems you did, the expression "gun to my head" in the context of my original post implies that I think it would be a close fight. I am starting to get a bit sick of hearing about Usyk in the heavyweight division thanks to "fans" like you. Who has he fought in the heavies? Bellew and Witherspoon? Far from elite. Do you work for Usyk's pr team?

 

Very interesting matching in Wilder vs Usyk actually. I think that Usyk, indeed, would be able to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds and actually pressure Wilder. Usyk is fast and tricky and southpaw (with less weight than Wilder?), he would cause Wilder quite some problems and in the long run the cumulation of punches could lead in a KO within 10 rounds.

 

It is true that Wilder has one shot some guys, but has also had to break down everyone else.
Usyk is not chinny like Zpilka. And he is a lot harder to break diwn than say someone like Duhaupas.

Getting a bit tired of this "I doubt fighter X can avoid Wilders right hand" narrative.
He wont and isn't able to set it up perfectly vs everyone.

 

I don't know, because Usyk has never really been hurt at heavyweight.

Usyk has skills, but whether or not he could avoid Wilders hand all night, I don't think so.

Also, usyk is not the strongest puncher either, he's a great boxer, but could he KO wilder? I'm not so sure. He doesn't look like he has much of a power punch, so may have difficulty finishing wilder off.

If Usyk was to win it'd be by points, but history shows if you don't finish wilder, he'll finish you. The only reason Fury is an exception to this is because he's a complete and utter freak of nature.

I think he'd dominate the rounds but eventually get caught, and I don't know how well he can take a punch at this level.

Right now, I'd say Wilder by KO.

But to be honest, I think Wilder KO's anyone below Fury, and it's a 50/50 with AJ. Anyone below that I'd have Wilder as the favourite.

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You need to consider a few things before saying things like this.

Almost every elite cruiserweight right now is from a background/culture which doesn't value the same things a Western country does. The best one who isn't, moved up already. And almost every elite cruiserweight is a multi millionaire.

Guys like Usyk, Huck, Lebedev, Gassiev and such, are from countries where their culture and mindset is predominantly based around proving themselves and being thorough above making money, not the other way around. It's quite easy to see why they'd wanna clean out their division before moving up.

Oh, and there's the WBSS. The tourney is great, but it means contractually, nobody can move up if they're involved. And all of the best cruiserweights have been involved. Usyk, Gassiev, Briedis &c; especially Briedis. Briedis has been in two of them, but he'd moved up before those. Briedis is definitely a money hungry mutha****er though.

 

Boxing IQ / Fight IQ will win the day here and of the two fighters concerned, only one of them has Boxing IQ / Fight IQ.

I will leave you all to decide whom I am favouring with a 9th Round stoppage after slowly breaking his one dimensional opponent down.

 

even vs old Ortiz had problems. with someone like Fury it did not happened.

He does not need avoid all night, he might KO Wilder despite he is from U.S and with long reach.
Even Ruiz might KO Wilder if he landed properly.
Therefore Wilder is undefeatable ( proven fact ), had fought bunches with elite boxers ( funny idea ).

Wilder had easy opponents besides old Ortiz and Fury. He is not tested vs plenty of top HW boxers.

 

Joe Joyce isn't a heavyweight? Yes, that needs some correction.

 

to some extent yeah but he might be more dangerous for Wilder than Usyk.
He is cold and already had proven that he might perform better with weight in more than 200lb.
Money hungry he most likely was always but he is in some kind more like arctic cold character. He was such cold not to use shittalks to rise attention to him, majority of westerners did not choosed this his approach to pre fight talks.

 

What's Wilder actually going to do with that extra height and reach though? He was getting outboxed by the slow, plodding Ortiz in both their fights; Szpilka was outboxing him and making him miss. Usyk would absolutely run rings around him and have him swinging at air, while peppering him with shots he won't have a clue how to defend against.

But yeah, you're right. The fight's never going to happen, so it's kind of wasted words to debate it in any real sense. History will provide more context to this one anyway.

 

How is avoiding fighting in the marquee division in the sport so that you can continue compiling wins in a lesser division a route to honor and respect? I don't get that logic

I think your romanticising the culture a bit. Every single culture on earth would claim they seek respect over money. 99.9% of the time that claim is complete BS

 

I say Wilder flattens him. Usyk is good on his feet, but he stays very upright and lingers just outside punching range. This is fine because of his good feet, but...but, people underestimate how much distance Wilder can cover when he launches that right hand. Usyk will get caught.