Oleksandr Usyk vs. Deontay Wilder.

I strongly disagree that they're on different planets if you're referring to 2018-2021 fury. Fury was incredibly quick and his ability to evade shots was incredible.

They were similar defensively IMO. AJ caught Usyk quite a few times, look at Usyks face after the AJ first fight. If AJ can catch Usyk then Wilder and Fury can.

 

This, Wlad could barely land a glove on Tyson Fury in a low intensity bout.

 

But what i said is the commonly accepted and not weird definition of 'styles make fights' and you can easily read in everywhere . In a nutshell :

-everybody can beat everybody
-triangular fight predictions do not work

A styles make fights supporter should say in this thread "unpredictable due to wilder,s special style ( his right bomb ) "

I say : currently usyk would win , but i,m not a style makes fights supporter.

 

I don't see the contradiction here. Styles make fights has always been predicated on the unspoken understanding that both fighters are of a similar level. Usyk struggles with short, come-forward swarmers. That doesn't mean that Alan Babic has a hope in hell does it?

Wilder is on a similar level to Parker, which is why the stylistic advantages Parker had made a difference. Usyk is on a level above both fighters, possibly two levels considering Joshua would beat both, so even if Wilder had an advantage stylistically he wouldn't be able to make it count, while Usyk would more or less have his way. And what style advantage does Wilder even possess here?

 

No, that's not the commonly accepted definition at all. It's one of several factors to take into consideration, not a rock, paper, scissors like equivalency. Levels still need to be taken into account.

 

Usyk is a lot more disciplined with his defence than Fury, even if Fury has better head movement. But it is genuinely possible that Wilder could land that right hand on Usyk, I wouldn't rule it out like most people on here.

You can't get more boxer v puncher than Usyk V Wilder, its astonishing.

 

Again though, what does it matter if Wilder lands on Usyk? Usyk's never been dropped from a head shot or even badly shaken up, and even if by some miracle Wilder managed to hurt him what are his chances of closing the show? Extremely thin I'd think.

It's intriguing from a certain POV, I agree. But this isn't like a case of one guy with zero power, a shaky chin but amazing boxing skills versus a guy with maximal power, an iron chin, but zero boxing skills. It's Usyk who has the chin and the boxing versus Wilder who has the power but an average chin and no boxing skills. It's too stacked in Usyk's favour to make the result anything but a foregone conclusion.

 

Within reason...

Let's not go full autistic on this - nobody, absolutely nobody believes that your local jobber from your local gym can beat a world champion no matter how much stylistic advantage they have.

On some level this is ALWAYS tempered by levels, therefore...

You can debate how much skill deficit a style advantage can make up for, but absolutely nobody thinks styles alone make fights.

 

Couldn't disagree more mate. Fury hasn't been that great defensively since Wlad imo, he's always had that skillset in his locker but has always been prone to lapses in concentration too.

Remember as well that Fury has been knocked down before by non elite opponents whereas Usyk has literally never been knocked down as a pro despite facing loads of punchers.

I'd also say that Wilder got to Fury in the two fights where he was nowhere peak condition or at his best. In the second fight when he was at his best Wilder didn't come close to knocking him down.

I stand by my original post. Usyk is in a different league defensively to Fury in particular the version which fought Wilder (ie post Wlad retirement/breakdown/drugs ban).

We weren't talking about that version though as he specifically made the point that Wilder getting to him means he would Usyk too.

Surely nobody disputes that Fury hasn't been as good defensively post come back as he was prior to it?

 

Tyson has changed trainers multiple times. It's worked as each trainer has added something to his game, however against Usyk. What can I say Tyson's Uncle Peter is needed now more than ever. It was Peter who guided Tyson to easy victories against Del Boy and Wlad.

 

Impossible? Joshua landed, Chisora landed, Wilder will land.

 

Terrible stylistic match up for him.

Probably the worst in the division.

He’d never have been given the time, the space and the angles to have landed his power shots.