Oleksandr Usyk vs Jack Dempsey

Have you ever considered posting only while sober?

 

And Dempsey has the same reach as millions of other people with 73" reach. Were they all as good as Dempsey? Was he as bad as the worst of them?

Dempsey couldn't put away Gibbons and had no interest in Greb (who'd be a Welterweight today).

The dude was immensely talented and brought the sport forward so much; it's even more incredible when you consider his severely unfavorable provenance, and penchant for the good life when he reached the top. But he was a smaller man from a more primitive era.

Would you pick the world's fastest car in 1919 to beat what makes it to the track in Formula 1 today? Hell, would you pick it to beat your lawnmower?

 

Maybe realize that this wasn't 1919 Dempsey anymore.

Don't agree that Usyk is fsr superior technically.

Tunney was 6'0 and 190 lbs against Dempsey. Usyk at his best was 6'3 and what - 210 lbs? Certainly the difference isn't that massive, though it's noticeable.

 

Unlike cars, human's physical potential hasn't changed in last 100 years. This analogy is one of the worst I've usually hear in such discussions.

 

So did Liston, but Sonny had a better jab than Fulton.

 

Demsey was ahead of his time, boxers in his day weren`t as skilled as boxers today, specifically the bigger fighters like Willard who had no fundamentals at all, Dempsey`s size would be a huge problem for him though, he was easier to hit than Usyk is and smaller.

 

How can you know that? Have you ever seen Fulton's jab?

 

Eh you are mostly right.
Greb was 165 in the ring, so he more likely would be at 154, but WW is at least possible.

However while athletes improve in general, there are massive factors that make technology able to advance exponentially-& human performance only a tiny amount of that over time.
Otherwise the top lifts & times from 100 years ago would dwarf the actual improvements.
A mile would be run in seconds, not still over 3 & 2/3 minutes.

I am actually more critical of Dempsey than you, he coasted for years when he had the title & could have accomplished much more.

 

Yup, he was more restrained and experienced.

Have you ever thought of going outside and making friends?

 

like what? it's not his fault everyone else sucked.

And yes, training has improved greatly. Seconds matter.

Actually, athleticism is probably decided by how much testosterone the mother of a boy passes from her father. Looking at sprinting and power lifting is also misleading as those are very limited aspects of athleticism.

But on the whole, people are healthier, better fed, larger and well-rested than in the past.

 

Sweet. So I guess you never visit the Doctor nor eat food bought from the grocery store?

 

Said someone who got banned for digging old threads for no reason!

 

I cannot tell what "like what" means in this context. And you are banned; I will go back & reply to the post where I called you out on being nasty, taunting, projecting being emotionally triggered on me-when I obviously was winking when I "accused" you of "quack-ology. ;-)".
But I already rebutted your arguments or provocations in Talmudic details.

But if you see this, it is not true that everyone else sucked.
Dempsey either did not face or ducked Greb & the best black fighter, Willis. However much it was his manager, societal or his racism (he had plenty)-he could have insisted & faced them. Also he fought much too seldom-in an era where folks battled more often, he had only almost one title defense each year. He sat on the title. Just doubling that would be so much more fair to others.

How much testosterone a male baby gets in uterine? I can see how that swould be one factor among many.
But to privilege it above other factors, I need to see evidence.
This does not effect other factors such as muscle fiber type & size.

Yes folks are overall better off than in the past-at least as top athletes.
Once big caveat-while much better medical treatment is available, in advanced nations the average person-certainly here in America-tends to have more lifestyl diseases & much more obesity with related sicknesses such as diabetes, heart disease & some types of cancer. Toxins in the environment contribute to the latter also.
Being less active adds to this. But if you are a dedicated person or athlete, of course you have much more tools & advantages to be healthy & excel beyond in the past. And a much bigger pool to draw elite competitors from.
Life span actually has gone down here recently.

 

Better technical boxer than Dempsey and also a better and faster straight right than Dempsey along with being the same height as Usyk, that's why he was tagging him

 

So you think the modern couch potato could beat Dempsey? I am pretty sure the fastest car in 1919 CAN beat my lawnmower.