Oleksandr Usyk vs Joe Frazier

Frazier punched with more power and had a better hook.

 

Usyk`s feet are contantly moving in and out and he moves to the right to create angles for his punches.

 

You're not confused, more like a smart ass, unless you're one of the duller knifes in the drawer.

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Quite confident in picking Frazier. He was able to take Ali's firepower to get inside, and Ali hit much harder than Usyk and had a much better jab. He'd do a number on Usyk before knocking him out.

And I used comparisons to Ali's actual opponents size and attributes (mainly Norton to Usyk) to easily counter your claims. Don't know how old you are - and there are old timers here that worship Ali - but Ali did not hit "much harder" than Usyk.

 

Frazier could get in on Ali who was a superior boxer in every way...but he looses to Usyk? Please.

Frazier KOs him with a bodyshot

 

If you listen to me you’ll understand your point is irrelevant

 

Anyone thinking Usyk has a hope in hell against Frazier after his showing against Chisora needs a lobotomy.

 

You have lost me completely

 

You say Frazier is more proven at heavyweight ? It has nothing to do with anything, Frazier was 204 prime, no weight cutting, Usyk for me is prime at 200(where he’s proven) but he’s cutting, they aren’t changing their weights if they fight, well Usyk is, he’s coming in at over 204, but what does being proven more at the weight mean with these two who way roughly the same? Fighting each other an nobody else ? It makes no sense, it’s a redundant point

 

Totally disagree Frazier fought at the very highest level at heavyweight.Usyk has had two fights at the weight against second tier fighters and not been over impressive in either

 

Chisora is a worse Chuvalo, Frazier catches Usyk like he caught Foster

 

Frazier is absolutely awful for Usyk style-wise, and more proven both H2H and resume wise to boot. This would turn into an ugly beat down after an initial adjustment period for Smokin' Joe.

 

HALF A FREAKING CENTURY AGO where a 210-215# 6' 2-3" HW was "big" and many HWs would be CWs today. Joe was one of the top HWs in HIS ERA, he wouldn't be today. Outside of obvious national or racial biases, I don't get this overly nostalgic worshiping of HWs from 30-70 years ago

I think Joe might be a player in this new SCW division but would hardly dominate that. Foreman was barely 220# when he bounced Frazier like a rubber ball in their first fight. Second fight was similar.

 

Putting all weight issues aside Frazier is a league above Usyk he would have knocked out Chisora in 3 rounds.Anyone who thinks other wise is disalusional

 

Ok seeing as they’re the same size let’s pit modern day cruisers against Frazier era HWs:

Norton-Hunter

Foreman-Gassiev

Frazier-Breidis

Ali-Usyk

Who wins these match ups?

 

Checkmate!