Omfg, Usyk

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Maybe even three.:D He can throw the loser of Fury Wilder 3 in for good measure.:sisi1
     
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  2. Serge

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    :deal:

    I think Fury gives him the most problems out of all of the top 5 because of his sheer size, length, skill and Gypsy Slickness factor but I saw the Wallin and Cunningham fights with thine own eyes and I can't dismiss what I saw. Many of those picking him to lose to Fury picked him to lose to AJ to and were adamant he could not deal with these big behemoths. Speed kills and AJ and Fury have the speed advantage the vast majority of the time but against Usyk that is not the case.

    The Tuscaloser is an uncoordinated gangling mess and Usyk would make him look like an even bigger one.

    ''But The Tuscaloser got that power doe''

    Yeah and the gap in terms of skills and talent between Usyk and him is absolutely astronomical. Usyk would box his ears off and hit him at will and best believe he can hurt and stop him too if he really wanted to.
     
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  3. CST80

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    Quite frankly, there's 2 massive elephants in the room here that no one really wants to talk about, and I'm not talking about Fury directly.:sisi1 The first one is, while it's something that should have been considered by most, including myself beforehand. Wlad was NOT a front foot heavy aggressive fighter, he's been a backfoot counter puncher against almost everyone he's fought since he hooked up with Steward, one of the few exceptions was Pulev, because I guess he thought he could have his way with Pulev, who's a featherfist. But with Fury, not only did he not want to risk it, when he did, Fury made him pay, so risk averse Wlad just assumed Fury would gas out and he could take him late, but PED'd up Fury conveniently never gassed until the last two or three rounds, but by then it was too late. Styles make fights, Fury's style especially in his ultra defensive version, was always a nightmare for Wlad in particular. So that one is easy to explain away. Was it impressive? Sure, but he also fought Wlad like a total coward, terrified to take risks. Quite frankly, they both fought like total pussies.:lol: But that's what happens when you have two guys who are counter punchers who don't like getting hit in the ring against one another.

    Now, onto the second.... for years, all we've heard is Wilder is a TERRIBLE BOXER!!! Wilder is a TERRIBLE BOXER!!! Wilder is a TERRIBLE BOXER!!! Wilder is a TERRIBLE BOXER!!! And there's a reason for that.... HE IS. Most assumed that Wilder would beat Fury, because well... somehow he can always find a way to land that straight right of his. Well, he still did, but Fury thankfully has solid powers of recovery. But what happened after that? They went to war, he landed a few bombs on Wilder, Wilder was clearly affected by them, so just like Maravilla Martinez, in the later rounds against Williams, when he saw that adjustment with his looping overhand left was having an effect on him, he merely started the rematch right where he left off in the 12th, and presto, it worked like a charm. That's basically what Fury did in the rematch. He also benefited from a clear as day punch to the back of the ear, which literally caused blood to start gushing out of Wilder's ear. Obviously his equilibrium was off, so he couldn't sit down on his shots very well. So that means he had a sitting duck, with no balance, who couldn't generate any real power..... standing in front of him, and it still took 5 more rounds of teeing off on him to get the ref to stop it. Now mull this over, aside from getting KO'd twice, because he was a septuagenarian on blood pressure medicine...:lol: Who won rounds more decisively off of a non injured non impaired Wilder? Ortiz or Fury? Its a close call isn't it? I lean King Kong Ortiz. And ultimately, is schooling the P4P most unskilled Heavyweight boxer possible ever... really something to brag about?:lol:

    So is Fury really this master boxer? Or is it all a smoke and mirrors like illusion?
     
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  4. Serge

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    I've always maintained that a prime Wlad would've beaten Fury, AJ and obviously The Tuscaloser and via KO too. Stylistically Fury is troublesome for him but prime Wlad was one of the most devastating offensive forces the HW division has ever seen when he let his hands go and the younger, faster prime version just hit too hard with both hands and was obviously technically very good with a great jab too.

    Ortiz pretty much dominated both their fights until his 4000 year old gas tank ran dry :lol:

    Fury is very talented and is as light and agile as hell and very slick for someone of his gargantuan dimensions but Wlad was old and past his prime and The Tuscaloser is a bum. That being said, he deserves a lot of credit for beating them in their backyards where everything was against him and the younger active version of Wlad he beat would've KO'd AJ in the UK never mind in Germany. I don't see his fight against The Tuscaloser as a foregone conclusion either. Yes he's much better and should and I hope he beats the soul out of his body again but three fights against someone who can punch as hard as The Tuscaloser is like playing Russian Roulette and I won't be shocked if he gets clipped albeit it disgusts me that bum is even getting the opportunity a redemption and even more so in his homeland when his female dog ass wouldn't dare do once what Fury is having to do x three.
     
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  6. CST80

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    Sheer pure unadulterated truth....
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    ....doesn't it?:D
     
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  7. CST80

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    Prime Wlad would have torn through Fury, Joshua and Wilder in one night.:deal:

    And yeah, Fury deserves a ton of credit, just for winning, merely asking the questions no one likes asking about those wins.:D

    I've had those same thoughts swimming around my head since this third match was announced. Sure Wilder is horrible, but Malik Scoot isn't, and who knows how many tricks he could've possibly taught him. Now... not saying it'll add much to his repertoire, but even with his already limited one, he was laying hands on Fury in the first round of the rematch and obviously landed those two bombs land in the first fight, so it might not take much, especially against a lazy disinterested thinks he has it in the bag Fury.:deal:
     
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  8. Serge

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    The younger prime Wlad was faster and could pull the trigger much quicker and the pre-Steward one even quicker and more destructive. I first noticed he wasn't able to pull it as quickly against Pulev and had that been the Wlad of a few years earlier Pulev would've never made it out of that first round.

    Yeah I know :D

    Yeah I've noticed something has seemed really off with Fury for a long time now and that's got me worried and I also know how desperate to win The Tuscaloser is and how deeply his loss hurt him and his deranged YT cult who genuinely consider him their ''king'' :facepalm:
     
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    :lol:

    Nice to know I'm not the only one.
     
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  10. CST80

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    Wlad from the Pulev was clearly diminished, but even that version was levels above Joshua and Wilder.:lol: As terrible as the Wlad-Povetkin match was, those two on that night would still wreak havoc against today's entire top 30, with Usyk being the sole exception.

    As far as Wilder beating Fury goes, for his mental health it may be for the best. At least if Wilder KO's him, he can always argue it was a fluke and there's no shame in being KO'd by a brutal KO artist, even one who's a big dosser like Wilder. But if he gets completely schooled and embarrassed by Usyk, that might be a Delilah cutting off Samson's hair or throwing water on the Wicked Witch of the West like epoch in Tyson's life. One he may never recover from. If Wilder wins, and his legion of delusional fanboys who clearly don't know **** about boxing, fall over the moon back in love with him, they'll think he's completely indestructible. Which will make Usyk ravaging him all the more sweeter.:D
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Well, Wlad did get bossed in sparring by Usyk during preparation for the Fury fight :D

    :lol: That's true. As much I'd love to see Usyk baptize The Tuscaloser with his brand of Cossack slickness I would rather see Fury destroy him again and then see Usyk vs Fury for all the marbles
     
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  12. CST80

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    Exactly.:D

    It doesn't matter, all shall fall, line them up.... the Jusyknaut plows right through them like a 10-ton bowling ball. It'll look like a bald Legolas toppling the Oliphaunts.:lol:
     
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  13. Serge

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    :lol:
     
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  14. channy

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    Yup, if the man had many critics before, If they are honest with themselves they got to acknowledge him now for the better.

    What a class act he was in that fight, I thought he would stop Joshua after a few hairy moments and due to Joshua gassing, but the manner in which he went about it was simply superb to watch.
     
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  15. Serge

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    Look at this. Disgusting filths.

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