This 100%, the bigger shock for me would have been AJ winning the fight, Usyk is on another level to Joshua.
Pillocks. Did you hear one of them at the beginning, Usyk what did you do to my brother!! Jesus, was he blind.
Yeah I did and split second before that some lout or a group of louts threw something at Usyk. I bet some of those filths were the ones who were booing the Ukrainian national anthem too
Yeah, it's odd to me that there are Usyk fans who weren't expecting this. You didn't even have to be a fully paid-up member of the fan club to see it coming. Corrupt judging was the primary factor to be wary of as a bettor, but a glance at who the judges were might've assuaged those concerns. I recall that the judges for Klitschko-Haye were selected collectively by the three sanctioning bodies, but I don't know what the process was here. Could be K2's clout ensured the Ukrainian judge plus the neutral to offset the Foster factor (and even that clown had the right winner, if only just). Pre-Steward Klitschko lost to lesser men than Fury (and I would agree with you that Corrie Sanders was a good fighter). That Klitschko is a myth, looked like an Ivan Drago wet dream until he suddenly didn't. He was talented, but really flawed. He didn't seek Steward's counsel for no reason. Irrespective of whether one views young Klitschko as a higher caliber gun than Joshua or not, they have two things in common; neither is a truly natural fit for the boxing ring and they're both drier than Hayden's postnatally depressed snatch outside of it. It makes sense that they've been up each others' azzholes for most of the past five years. For all his title defences and his interminable reign, my abiding memory of Klitschko will be of him indignantly white knighting for the old Saxe-Coburg and Gotha female dog and smelly Elton. This coming from someone who used to run defence for him to an extent, in the thick of his reign, when he was relentlessly pilloried by fight fans for what was perceived as a strategic penchant for sucking the drama out of bouts. My goodwill ran out around the Povetkin bout, which was a great opportunity for him to put in a career-defining performance (instead, he gave us a physical comedy). I think Fury's fine, honestly. Due to his history, the infamous 400 lb hiatus in particular, there's a tendency for folks to react to any and every possible hint of instability he throws out there. I think he's well aware of that, also, and plays with it. We can't legislate for corruption, but, if Fury loses legitimately to Wilder, you won't find me making any excuses relating to his mental state. If he's unfocused, if he's underestimating Wilder, if he isn't preparing properly, if his demons are getting the better of him, all of that is on him. He's a man in his thirties who's learned how to deal with his mercury moods by now. It won't happen, but, if Wilder could win legitimately, he would have triumphed over adversity and registered a significant achievement. What Tyson was doing with himself for the past eighteen months would be neither here nor there. When Errol Spence came to Sheffield to challenge for a world title, I said he'd get a kudos if he could beat Kell Brook. I'd been backing Kell from a long time ago. I made no excuses for him when he lost that fight, even as others clamored to do so. I saw a good enough version of Brook to award Spence the credit he'd earned by doing something that none of Haymon's other prized assets ever do, i.e. travelling overseas to take on a skilled, strong, powerful, professionally experienced champion and winning. (That Spence has since fallen in line with the typical PBC practices is another discussion.) I didn't make any excuses when Bradley Skeete, a lowkey favorite of mine, inexplicably lost to basic slugger Kerman Lejarraga. I could've made something out of his father's imprisonment for reckless road use occasioning death of an elderly woman, which had heaped considerable stress on Skeete and his family in the months leading up to his date in Spain. I could've pointed to the cut to 147 taking a greater toll than in previous years. Possibly contributory factors, but, ay, Skeete isn't the only fighter to have had a tough cut or been stressed. On the other hand, sometimes we do have to point out the screamingly obvious. Sergio Martinez being a crock when he fought Miguel Cotto, for one instance. Erik Morales suffering from the rigors of Freddie Roach's demands that he cut back down to 130 for the return and rubber bouts with Pacquiao, for another. More often, though, it's just plain call the wahhhmbulance fare. You've got to get bored of seeing this forum littered with excuses for outcomes that people didn't predict/want. As for Fury-Usyk, it seems a shame they have to meet. My loyalties ultimately lie with Fury, and it'll still be satisfying to see him put hands on all the straps (reclaiming the ones that were always his), but seeing Usyk defeated would temper the festivities. With Fury-Joshua, which I choose to interpret as a much truer ideological clash than Louis-Schmeling II ever was, I could've relished the moment more.
Even my old ma loves Usyk, and she's a supreme judge; [url]https://i.postimg.cc/8znbNYhS/553-B9037-4885-43-D1-B8-CC-6-EFD0581-C1-B0.png[/url] That's how wary you've got to be of anyone who would appear to harbor ill will or resentment toward the guy.
i love mma and have been watching religiously since 12 but i cringe at hearing most mma fans talk about boxing same with joe.
You can't give Joshua more than 4 rounds. I had it 9-3. I think that's the overall consensus. AJ took 5,6 and 8. You might be able to give him one of the early rounds if you are generous. Water always beats fire. That's what this fight was. For all those saying 'Joshua should be more aggressive', I don't think that's a valid argument at all. He'd have been caught far more doing that. Also, Usyk negated anything Joshua did in there. People also forget that one of Usyk's biggest strengths is his chin. Knocking Usyk out is not as easy as it looks. Joshua adapted to Usyk, but Usyk responded. And that's the difference between Usyk and the rest of AJ's opponents. Usyk kept adapting too and Joshua was always one step behind him.
Ohh, yeah, let's not forget Fury on the floor vs Cunningham, like Fury. A.J, Lewis and Wilder did had/ does have ideal chins and 0 flaws. Especially btw Fury. LOL. Lewis and A.J and Wilder too are myths and just with better PR and from proper countries nothing more. Including Lewis, who had approx Wlad level chin and just is considered as better in forums cos he does have Canadian - U.K origin, nothing more here. Lewis had a lot of flaws. A lot. Appeared not enough old.
I stopped at this old chestnut. Surrix, I might like to argue with you, but I very often don't understand what you're saying without reading passages back a few times (sometimes to no avail), and that's not a knock. I respect that you're putting in an effort to communicate with other fans in your second (maybe third or fourth) language — it's just often times a pain in the ass to decrypt is all. For that matter, "it's just often times a pain in the ass to decrypt is all" might read like gibberish to you. I respect your right to believe that some other mythical version of Klitschko would've flattened Tyson 2Fast Fury.
Ped’d up Fury for Wlad fight ? UKAD testing dates 28th February 2015 elevated levels Nando 11th May 2015 negative 16th July 2015 negative 8th October 2015 negative 17th October 2015 negative 11th November 2015 negative 13th July 2016 negative 4th May 2017 negative
I think the elephant in the room is Andy Ruiz. Let's face it, as terrible as he looks physically, a case can be made that he's the #3 Heavyweight in the World today. (1. Tyson Fury - Champion. 2. Oleksandr Usyk - Majority belt holder. 3. Andy Ruiz. 4. Anthony Joshua. 5. Deontay Wilder.) I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that argument, but it can reasonably be defended. I know someone who ranks them exactly that way, and I respect that person's opinion. The main case is that Ruiz has the edge over Joshua, with a KO win vs. a Decision loss, and Joshua was also just beaten by Usyk. If Fury crushes Wilder again, not a given, but IF he does, that adds to the case for Ruiz at #3 in the World.
I'm a fan of the pre-Steward Wlad not so much the Steward trained one. But both versions beat Fury, AJ and The Tuscaloser and via KO too. AJ and The Tuscaloser are easy work for him and get dispatched in HL reel fashion whenever he wants them out of there. I've always thought that and nothing is going to change my opinion on that. I could be wrong about Fury but we'll never know. However, AJ and The Tuscaloser are light work for a prime version of him and I'd be extremely confident of that and although Sanders could blow hot and cold he would spark them both out too. Regarding Fury vs The Tuscaloser III. It's just what my intuition is telling me from what I've observed. I picked Wlad to beat Fury but my intuition was telling me Fury was going to pull it off when I saw him make his ring walk and my intuition was right and it usually is. And no I won't give that bum from Tuscaloosa a single ounce of credit if he manages to land the bomb and knocks Fury out. Even if Fury wore loaded gloves for this fight and actually did all the things that big useless bum dosser and his deranged YT cult have accused him of he gets zero credit from me. Not a single iota ever He should be 0-2 against Fury in his own backyard and it disgusts me he's getting a third chance to try and beat Fury legitimately, let alone over in his backyard. If they keep giving him chances he's bound to pull it off at some point.
