On a scale of 0-10 what chance do you give Rocky Marciano defeating Tyson Fury

Zero fundamentals don't stop you to punch hard. But I guess there are some things that stop people from understanding it. As for Wlad - there was a reason why a guy with top fundamentals and great power did nothing against Fury, but that liaises with my second sentence. Sorry, I don't intend to pollute a different topic with this boring arguing.

 

Who said Marciano had zero fundamentals?
You are the only one here making things personal .
And now you are implying some of us,[me, ]don't know what we are looking at.
Being 39 years old may have had something to do with Wlad's ineffectiveness against Fury.
Lets drop it.

 

When I quote it's per username. Do you see yourself in my previous post? Do you see the post I am answering to as some of yours where you say Rocky had zero fundamentals? Both answers are "no". So if I now say you don't know what you are talking about is not personal - it is obvious. But in order not to make you feel personally offended, I will no more reply to you. I hope that is good enough.

 

Wilder lacking fundamentals is extremely important and cannot be overlooked. You can hit as hard as Superman but it makes no difference if you can't hit your opponent. Wilder was shockingly sloppy and even in some fights he won, he was getting outboxed before the KO because of how bad his fundamentals and timing can be. Nobody is disputing Wilder's power.

Wladmir also obviously hits hard, but he did not lands a single flush power bomb in all 12 rounds. He was gunshy and barely threw anything, petrified of opening up due to his older age and Fury's weird herky jerky style making him uneasy.

The point being Fury didn't prove that he'd beat any power puncher fighting those two. They were good wins on paper, but with context it doesn't tell us a lot about how he'd do against someone like prime Bowe or Lewis for example.

 

Excellent! You can go and insult somebody else now!
You didn't offend me ,you just bored me,because I've been hearing and reading BS like this for the17 years I have been here.

 

"Getting outboxed" as in down on the cards? Was Wilder ever behind on the cards up to the point of the KO in a fight he won, apart from vs Ortiz? I'm not arguing your point btw, I can't think of an instance other than Ortiz and am interested if there was.

I agree, a 39 year old Wlad and Wilder are completely different propositions to prime Lewis.

 

Oh mercy!!!

 

When you post my statement with inverted commas its patently obvious its aimed at me,as was the gratuitous insult that followed it .
Asking "which modern sized class heavyweight" anyone from the past has beaten is shockingly stupid .At least have the balls to admit it when you insult someone .

 

Being 33 years old with nearly a 100 fights on your clock in a then 14 years career and your best weight being at the division lower is rather different from being 37 ,but comparatively fresh, with just 16 fights in a 5 year career is not the same ,its the wear and tear as in mileage!

Marciano v Charles? Rocky was then 31, 7 years into his career of 45 fights .

To be unaware of this indicates a serious lack of knowledge,.

 

I would have to disagree there.
We only have that degree of certainty AFTER the fight.

We might well say that if they fought a third (or fourth, fifth...) Liston would always win, and we would very probably be right, but that probability never rises to 1 (100%).








I mostly agree with you here, as a one-time, big-time fan of the Gypsy, who has soured a bit due to his ducking of Usyk.

But even at his best and on focus, there's more to the game than size, and I would never put Fury's probability of winning at 100 %.

 

Rocky has as much chance at beating Fury as he does George Foreman, 1 in 10 to the 43 power.

 

There really isn't anything Rocky can do with those 2, probably 2 of his absolute worst conceivable matchups. He'd be trailing on the scorecards and unable to get close enough to his preferred close range to swarm and pressure. There would be no miraculous Hollywood moment where Rocky wobbles out of the corner in the 12th round, exhausted but determined to "find a way to win" taking a beating before landing a hail Mary Suzie Q come from behind KO. In fact, I'd be shocked if he made it past the 3rd against either of them.

 

Yet there is nothing that suggests it would not work against a better fighter. Lot's of guys never had the ultimate test. Just because Tyson Fury didn't figh in the 1950s doesn't mean that Marciano couldn't have beaten him then.

You are talking about your scenario for the fight. You are welcome to it. You are a very knowledgeable fellow. What you are NOT doing is stating a fact, here.

 

eh I'd give him a better chance against Fury tbh. He can take Fury's shots A LOT better than he can take Foreman's.

 

In what world is a 25lbs different between two 5'10 individuals not a big difference ._.? 185 vs 210 is hug, plus Tyson was more commonly 215-220, so it's more 30-35lbs.