On his very best night, who was better: The lightweight Penn or the welterweight GSP?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Mar 10, 2012.


  1. horst

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    Together, they had one close fight and one beatdown, both at GSP's weight and above Penn's weight.

    Would GSP have done any better had he moved up and fought a prime Anderson Silva twice at Anderson's weight?

    That's a debate for another thread, as this is not an H2H thread.



    The question here is, who was the more effective fighter on their respective best nights at their respective best weights.

    The question is not "who'd win if they were the same size" or "who had the better career" or anything of the sort, it is basically...

    Who was the better fighter, the best lightweight BJ Penn or the best welterweight GSP?



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    For the sake of argument, I think the best that GSP ever looked at welterweight was also
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    Who was the more effective fighter between these two at those weights? :bbb
     
  2. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Penn at lightweight is a scary animal, it was inconsistency and almost complete lack of dedication/motivation/whatevs that let him down. However, even a lazy Penn is dangerous. In the early days he tore the arse out of an entire division without anything even resembling fight training. It was only when the game caught up with him that he truly started to show signs of mortality.

    GSP is always motivated, always dedicated, and most importantly always dominant. I think the best GSP was the one that made Penn quit on his stool, and displayed a text book case pushing **** in on Jon Fitch. But, with the exception of Penn fighting to the death, he hasn't finished an opponent in 4 (soon to be five) years.

    With that in mind I'll be going with Penn. It's a shame his potential more often than not far outweighed his performance.
     
  3. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    I think BJ's best preformance was against Florian at LW. At that time Florian was steamrolling on his way to a LW title shot and finishing almost everybody. In that fight BJ was in great shape and actually had abs. I think he knew Florian was a real threat and had to be at his best and he certainly was finishing Ken in the fourth.

    I think GSP had alot of tougher fights against guys like Hughes,Kos,Fitch,Alves and even Shields at the time. I think GSP-Hughes 2 was his biggest fight at the time and made Hughes look like an ameteur finishing him brutally.

    I would have to with GSP just because GSP-Hughes was a big fight at that time when Hughes was still in his prime and GSP was just coming out as a superstar. That fight Hughes handed the torch over.
     
  4. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :thumbsup exactly If penn had the dedication of GSP, i think he would have been the GOAT. He had so much talent but lack discipline.

    With that said, i have to pick GSP just cuz he is more dedicated to his training.
     
  5. horst

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  6. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :huh i said GSP :roll:
     
  7. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    You should have stated no BJ excuses are accepted in the question. The "an in shape" BJ or "motivated" BJ crap is not acceptable. The could have, should have ,would have crap is only speculation.
     
  8. horst

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    Seriously - read the thread title.
     
  9. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not a big deal.

    I pick GSP because on his best night he demolished a prime Hughes, and on Penn's best night he demolished a prime Diego Sanchez. Hughes > Sanchez therefore GSP.
     
  10. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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  11. Muchmoore

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    right

    anyway for my money its a toss up. put a gun to my head and probably gsp
     
  12. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    what if bj was holding the gun?
     
  13. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    bj penn all ****ing day in his glory day i reckon he could **** gap up
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Penn when he smashed Uno in a few seconds :yep

    GSP is the more consistent of the two. I also rate Penn's quick win over Hughes (first fight) as impressive as any of GSP's achievements. I'm not a big fan of simply nullifying the opponent, I like killer instinct. So for me, on his best night, Penn was better.

    Who is 'greater'? Most probably GSP for long reign of dominance and two wins over Penn.