On my scorecards Loma never lost one fight

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  1. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He literally gave up early rounds. He definitely could've won, he did what Hopkins did vs. Jermain T. His loss against Teo was his own fault.

    Exactly what I continually say (and I'm a fan), he's not an ATG pro. He'll likely get in the HOF because he has some quality milestones but an ATG he is not.
     
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  2. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    On my scorecard Buster Douglas was shut out by Mike Tyson.
     
  3. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    No way you can give the 12 to Loma. He was outlanded and hurt.
     
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  4. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    No idea what you talking about mate.
    & wrong. I've already been through rounds 2 and 6 countless times, Loma won those rounds and in fact has a strong case for winning the fight. I'm not doing a round by round analysis again, I've already proved Loma won round 2 and 6 by landing the cleaner shots compared to Lopez
     
  5. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    You haven`t proved anything,you are seeing things that are not there
     
  6. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Here we go again:


    Round 2 for example
    Loma
    1:00 Clean left hand rocks Lopez head back
    0:33 Clean jab from Loma
    0:11 3 punch combo from Loma all of which lands. Followed by a scuffy slap from Lopez.

    Lopez
    Right hand body 2:40 (Loma takes lot of the sting off of it & Lopez is overstretched)
    2:17 Lands on Lomas gloves
    2:15 right hand body potential lands. Left hook hits lomas elbow. Followed by shoulder punch.

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    I'm not going to go into round 6 but here I've documented everything that lands of value. Loma clearly has a very good case for round 2 (because objectively he lands the more frequent, cleaner punches..in fact saying he has a very good case undervalues the fact he should have won it) and even better won for round 6. If you give Loma rounds 2, 6, 8, 9, 10 ,11 it is the very least a draw.

    All Lopez was doing in this early rounds was being the big flat footed weight bully idiot he is..walk forward throw body punches in the hope he connects. He couldn't compete with Loma in landing the harder to land headshots.

    I'd like to hear your contribution to this round since I'm seeing things that are not there
     
  7. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Was Loma not wobbled in and hurt in the 12th vs Lopez?
     
  8. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Well what i see in round 2 is that Loma landed i decent shot and for the rest of the round he was outworked.Clearly a Lopez round
     
  9. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Lmao FAIL!! you have just said words. Saying words is not an argument. I've listed all the significant punches out for you. Your dismissive one liner is factually incorrect. Your opinion has just been invalidated
     
  10. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had Salido winning pretty clearly.
     
  11. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    My one liner is fact.As i said before you are seeing things are not there.As for your statement saying my opinion i invalidated i couldn`t care less
     
  12. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    So you are in denial, and rejecting facts when I've literally laid it out in front of you. It's nice you've qualified yourself like this Noel.
     
  13. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    :guitar:
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    Loma-Lopez I had a draw... the 2nd Loma definitely landed the better punches, and Lopez fell short with most of his. The 4th was also pretty close, so if you're looking fo a round to give Loma, it could be that one, but even though he kept it close in the 12th. He was the one getting hurt, so it's hard to give it to him.

    Round 1 Lopez 10-9
    Round 2 Lomachenko 10-9, close
    Round 3 Lopez 10-9
    Round 4 Lopez 10-9, close
    Round 5 Lopez 10-9, close
    Round 6 Lomachenko 10-9, close
    Round 7 Lopez 10-9, close
    Round 8 Lomachenko 10-9, close
    Round 9 Lomachenko 10-9
    Round 10 Lomachenko 10-9
    Round 11 Lomachenko 10-9
    Round 12 Lopez 10-9, close

    114-114

    115-113 Lopez or 115-113 Lomachenko are fine as well.




    He definitely shouldn't have lost to Salido, and I say that as someone who picked Salido for the upset.

    Round 1

    Salido comes out incredibly cagey and cautious, not looking to engage, Loma just as cautious pressing forward behind a probing jab, Salido attempts a hook, lands on the arm, Loma lands jab, he corners Salido, who attempts a hook, lands on Loma's back, Salido lands jab to body, Loma snaps his head back with a jab of his own, Loma tries to get in close, Siri holds, both throwing leads, both miss, Loma backs Salido into the corner throws 3 punch combo, 2 land, Salido attempts a hook and uppercut, both miss, Loma lands lead left, Salido lands hook, Loma opens up and lands small flurry to edge the round.

    Lomachenko 10-9 Close


    Round 2

    Both men are probing again, Salido finally unfurls a right hook that lands on the side of Loma's face, Loma backs out, Siri swings wildly, missing a wild hook, Loma catches the other two on his arms, Siri tentative again, Loma shoots out a jab it partially connects, follows up with a straight left to the body, they stand and throw a ton of feints at each other, Salido leaps in and lands a hook to the body, Loma holds, Loma flicks out a few jabs, most are caught, Salido lunges in, lands nothing clean, they hold, Salido lands a low blow, Loma fires back with a straight left and a few one twos, Salido trudging forward winging in hooks, Loma parries most of them and pirouettes out, still charging forward, he lands a partially blocked low blow, Salido lands hook to Loma's neck, Loma lands a few hooks.

    Salido 10-9 Close


    Round 3

    Salido coming forward winging in wild shots throughout, most not landing cleanly or on Loma's back and arms, Loma landed straight lefts, and fast one twos, consistently, Salido landed several low blows, and a clean hook on the neck of Loma, but the cleaner shots were clearly landed by Vasyl.

    Lomachenko 10-9 Close


    Round 4

    Siri charging forward, Loma giving him more lateral movement, shooting in fast one twos, and pivoting away, Salido misses most of his shots, Loma lands 3 punch combo, slips away, Loma lands jab that snaps his head straight back, low blow hooks from Siri, hard straight left from Loma again snaps Siri's head back, Siri wings in hooks, most miss or hit Loma's back, Loma lands clean jab and a one two, Loma backs up as Siri lunges forward into another 3 punch combo, followed by a straight left, Orlando marching forward, swinging violently landing little clean, most either low blows or land on the arms, Siri gets in a few more low blows, Loma lands a hard 3 punch combo, Salido missed a ton, most of Loma's shots were clean.

    Lomachenko 10-9 Close


    Round 5

    Loma keeping Salido at bay with his jab, occasionally shooting out his straight left, including a hard left to the midsection, Siri not landing anything clean again, trying to land ball shots, Loma playing the matador jabbing him in the forehead, they hold, Loma spins out lands a right hook to the temple, a lot of feinting for the middle minute, the only thing that lands clean is a hard left to the face of Salido, Loma landed several straight lefts, Salido landed little aside from low blows or shots to the arms.

    Lomachenko 10-9


    Round 6

    Salido far more aggressive, he's picked up the pace and is really pressing the action throughout the first two minutes, Salido mostly hit him on the arms, in the balls or on the back, but he was far more active, Loma almost stole the round back in the second half with the cleaner sharper counters, one twos, accuate straight lefts and hooks.

    Salido 10-9 Really Close


    Round 7

    Salido with a ton of ineffective aggression, but Loma doing little to nothing, is holding far too much, Orlando is landing to the body a little more cleanly at times, but a lot of them are below the belt, Loma looks to worthless Cole for help, he gets nothing, Loma stands his ground lands hard straight left to the gut of Salido, that drives Siri into the ropes, he follows up with a left up top, Loma lands several one twos through the rest of the round, and an occasional hook, Loma manages to salvage round late, barely.

    Lomachenko 10-9 Really Close



    Round 8

    Salido comes out raging, Loma's defense is little very ragged, and he's a little more gassed, most of Siri's shots are still being blocked or slipped, but with his roughhousing he's getting enough in to the body and up top to count, Loma tightens it back up late landing a slew of clean counters, but Salido hangs in there still landing enough to edge it.

    Salido 10-9 Close


    Round 9

    Loma tightened up his defense quite a lot in the 9th, but Salido is still the far far more active of the two, although a lot of the shots he's landing are still low, Loma gets a few hooks in here and there, but probably his weakest round. Salido still full of energy, Loma looked knackered.

    Salido 10-9


    Round 10

    Salido comes out for the 10th looking totally depleted, almost running on empty, seemed to have blown his load in the 9th, but still pressing the issue, he's even less accurate than before, Loam landing clean counter hooks up top, starting to work him on the inside, gets through with a shot to the body, and a hook to the head, he pushes Salido, he goes down, very slow to rise, Loma lands the cleaner shots the rest of the round.

    Lomachenko 10-9


    Round 11

    Salido is horribly gassed, he grabs and pins Loma's arms against his ribs, Loam is smartening up, he's yanking his arms down and out, working the body of Salido consistently, who's barely hanging on, Loma landing short hooks to the face, and looping hooks to the body, a lot of roughhousing from Siri, but most of the effective clean shots landed by Loma.

    Lomachenko 10-9


    Round 12

    Salido holding almost from the outset, Loma trying to wriggle free, Siri landing ball shot after ball shot, in plain sight of Cole, Cole sees nothing, head clash early, more roughhousing from Orlando who is completely done, his gastank is empty, Loma lands savage picture perfect striahgt left that staggers Salido onto his heels and into the ropes, he's badly hurt, Loma lands a hard left hook to the body, Salido staggers back towards the other rope eats another hard straight left, Cole steps in, buying Siri some time, Loma whipping in hooks to the body and to the drooping chin of Salido, who is hanging on for dear life, somehow he sees the final bell. Huge round for Lomachenko.

    Lomachenko 10-9

    116-112 Lomachenko

    115-113 and 114-114 are the only other possible scores.
     
  15. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Sorry i maybe thick but you say he definitely lost should have lost to Salido but you scored it 118 - 112 Loma.Am i misreading something?