On powerlifting and cruiser/heavy/superheavy weights..

Boxing revolves around punching, I'd say it plays more than a "very small part"

 

Here is the link you want to see. Click on the weights, and see the records. The bigger the weight lifter is, the more he can lift. I don't think any lower weight class out performs an upper weight class in a top 20 average sense as presented in the below web site. However the differences between the weight classes begin to narrow around 220 pounds.

Come back Cross_Trainer, this thread needs your keyboard!

As for punching power, muscles in the shoulders seem most important, followed by the back, arms, hips and legs. There is such a thing as " punchers shoulders " .

Velocity, and technique also come into play in terms of hitting power.


http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records

 

a well conditioned, tough and quick 200 lber could do fine in the heavyweight division, but there's this stigma they can't. I thought roy jones could have beaten a lot of other heavyweights besides john ruiz but he didn't want to risk it.

 

This is similar to the argument of which dog can bite harder, the pitbull or the German Shepard, Rottweiller, etc... It doesn't matter. All the aforementioned dogs are capable of breaking both bones in your arm easily, so they all can do the trick. It's a matter of which dog has the mentality to do it. Yes, the pitbull is probably stronger (for its size), but noone wants to take a hard bite from any of them. It doesn't matter if Marciano punched harder than Tyson or Lewis, what matters is the fact that he is capable of knocking the tar out of many men, and has the potential to hurt just about anyone. 185 or 245, those guys can hurt you.

 

good post:good

 

Hi Mendoza,

Damn, you know your boxing!!!

The statement that you make about shoulder muscles and punching
power makes sense. Case in point - Bob Foster. Foster had skinny
arms and legs but he had strong-looking shoulder muscles.

In my younger days, when I was involved with boxing/martial arts,
I was a good puncher and I too have big shoulders for my size
(5' 8" - 5' 9"). When I was young(er) I did lots of pullups, dips
and shouder presses. Guess thats where the punching power
came from.

Also, when you drop arm shoulder down to throw a hook to the
body, you can feel the power coming from the shoulder.

BTW, thanks for all the vintage posts/articles about Johnson.
Very informative!!!!

Grebfan9
www.firstroundboxing.com

 

This is the bottom line. :good
Very few men in history are walking away from taking a full-blooded shot to the chin from a Dempsey or a Marciano, so whether or not a Foreman or a Lennox hits harder is of little consequence.

 

I'm fairly sure CT's stats are off here. When talking about comparable lifters (eg. world class VS world class) heavier powerlifters always outweigh smaller powerlifters.

Because weight classes in powerlifting are based on maximums rather than minimums, if there were records where heavier lifters had a smaller record than that of a lighter lifter, the lighter lifter can just enter into the higher weight-class and beat the record. For example, say a 220 lb lifter can bench above the open weight-class record; he can just enter for that class on his next competition and beat the record. Since he will have probably drained a bit to get down to 220 anyway, he'll rarely be out of the class anyway if he doesn't drain.

Powerlifting is a vastly different sport to boxing, which is why I do the former and not the latter. Weight draining is different. There's also the abscence of a human factor in powerlifting: one doesn't have to do lifts in a "tug-of-war" fashion!