on the verge of ufc 100 let me be the first to say...

much worse =/= 'exactly the same' / 'comparable'. inconsistancy in your post though it's not a huge concearn.

Smack talking in ufc includes excessive profanity and the commentators idolize people who 'have no respect for the sport' (not that there ever was any in ufc). The entrance music is always rap which is to my knowledge chosen by dana to make it look 'badass'. On T.v it is extremely loud and vulgar, whereas boxing simply has background music in the stadium.

I cannot emulate smacktalking becuase I'm not going to quote hundreds of minutes of video, but pac vs hatton included 'I think ive got the better boxer' 'he has no chance' 'he punches like a novice' whereas ufc typically follows 'his ass is grass' 'he needs to STFU' etc.. with often excessive profanity.

I must retract what I said about entrances, I've been watching too much WEC where the fighters walk in on illuminated walkways often out of the mouth of some kind of dragon with flames and stuff.

never heard anything about bad additudes? thats laughable.

Steroids eh? sherk eh?
lets try...

Royce Gracie ( http://www.cagetoday.com/dope-report-royce-gracie-tested-positive-for-steroids/ )
Chris Leben (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3680937)
( http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-roids071907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns )
Hermes Franca ^
Nate Marquardt ^
and Stephan Bonnar ^
Josh Barnett ^
Tim Sylvia ^
Stephan Bonnar ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060907.wufc8/BNStory/Sports/home/ )
Anthony Torres ( http://www.gorillafights.com/articles/541/Anthony-Torres-tested-positive-for-steroids.html )

*strikeforce*Adam Smith ( http://mmajunkie.com/news/3014/csac-adam-smith-tests-positive-for-steroids-cocaine-and-marijuana.mma )
Dennis Hallman *former ufc* ( http://mmajunkie.com/news/3264/stri...xander-crispim-test-positive-for-steroids.mma )
*strike force* Alexander Crispim ^


mostly WEC:

antonio silva ( http://mmamania.com/2008/10/06/antonio-bigfoot-silva-steroid-hearing-with-csac-set-for-oct-22/ )
ken Shamrock (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/UFC_MMA/De_032009.htm)
Alexandre Noguiera (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6650&zoneid=13)
Phil baroni ( http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/csac-baroni-positive-for-two-types-of-steroids-8153 )

wow almost all the top guys in eliteXC are juicers. and these are the guys that are caught....

 

Boxing may be flawed but the facts remain compeition is essential for a sport to survive. Its not often we see anything less than the big 3 being marketed as a world championship bouts. Boxing also has independant and an organisational ranking systems. The UFC has neither. Dana simply pits whomever he wants against whoever he wants that will make the card and himself the most money. If he had a ranking system Lesnar would NOT be a world champ. If he had a ranking system Machida would have got a title shot already.

Boxing has far less problems because its NEVER going away. Its a sport that has 150 year history. Nations collide and come togther because of boxing icons and big boxing events. Thats the nature of our sport.

When you have one despot as the face of the UFC who makes ALL the calls thats simply not good for the sport because all Dana is is a promoter who does whats best for himself. The pay scale in the UFC is shambolic. He's not interested in working with other organisations. He wants all options on his fighters. When they loose he scatters them to the four winds. Thats simply not good enough and not defensible for a fledgling sport like MMA. It is my opinion that most have truly missed out on a glorious era of MMA and it is my opinion that the future doesnt look bright at all as all the stars wane one by one. There not being replaced and i dont see anything on the horizon that gives me hope.

 

People seldom remember how true this is. An olympic sport with world renown importance. Good point.

 

Buster Douglas was better than Mike Tyson.

 

Just in case it wasn't clear, I was definitely being sarcastic.

 

Point taken.

Hmmm…this is the first of many indications that you and I have very different views on what’s ‘excessive’ and what’s ‘expected’ (no matter how annoying it may be, some amount of trash talk seems to be obligatory in nearly all sports now). I can think of profane trash talkers in boxing (Mayorga, PBF, Vargas etc) and in UFC, but none of them really bother me more than others. I prefer it when there is none of that and you will see that with the very top guys (Winky Wright never trash talks, and neither does Randy Couture).

As for the “commentators idolize those with no respect for the sport”, I honestly don’t know what that means. The commentators for UFC can be as good as decent and as bad as unbearable, but since I don’t know what you mean by “no respect for the sport” or how you would know how a fighter feels in that regard, I can’t really agree or disagree.

The entrance music for UFC more often a stupid metal song than rap, but based on the bits of country and comedy music that’s been played from time to time, I’m sure it’s picked by the fighters. If you really have a beef with this then by far the worst exhibition of this I’ve seen is Cory Spinks actually having the shitty rappers rap him all the way into the ring while he danced. In UFC it seems to be a bit more businesslike in that they get checked out by the ref and have their shirt etc taken off at the end of it. I've never seen anything like the Hamed or Camacho spectacles, but again, my exposure may be limited compared to yours. Then again, if you stopped watching a while ago then it may be different than you remember.

Again, there are very good examples of this in both sports, but for every Pac/Hatton or Couture/Liddell there is a Jones/Tarver and Ortiz/Shamrock. It’s not that I don’t believe that that is a statistically higher occurrence in this in UFC than in the top echelons of boxing, I just don’t see how, if this is such a big deal to someone to use it to knock UFC, they could still enjoy any number of big boxing matches.

This more than anything makes me think that we’re watching totally different events. I’ve never seen anything like this since the very early shows perhaps and in less reputable organizations like elitexc.

As with the “no respect for the sport” comment, what do you mean by ‘bad attitudes”? You mean like Nick Diaz being a general ***** all the time? I really don’t see much difference between him and someone like Mayweather who shits on people left and right or Mayorga who calls whoever he’s fighting a ***** at every press conference.

I mentioned Sherk and Toney because they were the most recent guys at the very top of each sport who’ve been busted recently. Guys like Mosley and Vargas though have been high profile guys busted in the past, and there have been big name guys busted for diuretics as well. It’s quite a list of guys you’ve put together, but again, if this is something that bothers you enough to turn you off from UFC than I don’t see how you can watch boxing either knowing that someone may be on roids or even worse that they may have illegally loaded gloves.

Both sports have what looks to be decent testing policies, so it’s not like Japan where anyone can be on anything and no one even tries to find out.

I guess the reason why I spent so much time replying to this is because a lot of the stuff that you bring up are things that bother me as well, but none of them ruin the enjoyment of either sport for me and in the end come down to taste. If you just don’t like UFC enough to put up with stuff you put up with in boxing because you enjoy it more, then that’s cool. I just don’t agree that there is a significant difference between the two sports with regards to the issues you brought up.