On this day 98 years ago Dempsey fought Carpentier it was the first million dollar gate

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Iv'e done the work and shown which fights Sharkey won on dsq's, just 4, three of which were obvious fouls ,an opponent going down 4 times without being hit , being repeatedly backhanded by an opponent looking to foul out,for which he was fined and suspended btw! And a first round, blatant blow to the balls in another .
    Iv'e also repeatedly asked you in which rounds you can see Sharkey's trunks are higher than Dempsey's, and in which other fights his trunks are high?
    You haven't answered my questions ,you never do ,you just resort to your silly mantra "do the work when in fact all you've done is repeated what Leo Flynn ,Dempsey's manager[ hardly a disinterested bystander ,]said prior to their fight! if anyone need to do research here it is you .Mr Hysterical Historian!

    Yes it's official,you're a fraud!
     
  2. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Your mouth is your toilet, get back to your Dad's garage you phoney!
     
  3. Tonto62

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    The bottom line is your comparison doesnt!
     
  4. HOUDINI

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    Again the ref as well as writers from major newspapers all commented concerning Sharkeys high trunks. This fight and previous fights. Who are you to try to change their assessment 90 years later?

    The only fraud is you and your frantic responses prove this as fact! You appear mentally ill.
     
  5. janitor

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    I think there is some validity in it.

    Either way, there has never been an era, where there were only two or three qualified title challengers!
     
  6. Tonto62

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    Because my eyes tell me Sharkey's trunks were at the correct level and his navel being visible in the last round confirms it!
     
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    Houdini justified the match by saying this.
    Dempsey followed other champions by facing the light, hwt champion ,Its not true .The only instance of this was the Johnson, O Brien affair which was a no dec.After this was pointed out to him he then attempted to justify the match by saying Bob Foster fought Frazier 50years later!. Foster was an atg LHVYwho fought Frazier at188lbs Carpentier was 168lbs for Dempsey and Carpentier was never an ATG great champion. The Foster fight could at least be seen as two ATG;s facing each other the Dempsey v Carp fight was palpable mismatch as both Carpentier's manager and the promoter well knew beforehand.
     
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  8. HOUDINI

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    Wrong. Carp was rated as an ATG by many including Fleischer. Do you just make **** up??
     
  9. Tonto62

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    Carpentier never beat an atg apart from a going over the hill Ted Kid Lewis who was 157lbs !Who did his best work at welterweight!.
    Fleischer does not have Ali in his top ten and ranked O Brien as the number 2 lhvy!
    Levinsky is suspected of having sold his title and Carpentier lost his crown to one of the worst ,if not THE worst of the light heavyweight champions in another fixed fight.Where are his credentials as an atg?Which wins qualfy him as one?
    Light Heavyweights:

    1 - Kid McCoy
    2 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
    3 - Jack Dillon
    4 - Tommy Loughran
    5 - Jack Root
    6 - Battling Levensky
    7 - Georges Carpentier
    8 - Tom Gibbons
    9 - Jack Delaney
    10- Paul Berlenbach
    an ATG ?Which wins prove him to be one?
    Do you agree with Fleischers placings that I have underlined?
     
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  10. HOUDINI

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    You stated he was not rated as an ATG. You were WRONG. AS USUAL. YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN RIGHT.
     
  11. Tonto62

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    Answer my questions above.
     
  12. HOUDINI

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    You are completely wrong.....actually you are lying again. Carp was rated as an ATG. You cannot continually change the playing field every time you are shown up as a liar. What you or I or anyone else in 2019 feels about Carp AT greatness has no bearing whatsoever. YOU stated he was never considered an ATG. He was.
     
  13. HOUDINI

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    July 23 1927
    New York Daily News

    “SHARKEY WORE HIS TRUNKS HIGH; MOVIE SHOWS”
     
  14. Tonto62

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    This is the film which does not lie ,Sharkey's trunks are not worn high!

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    Winnipeg Free Press
    July 22 1927

    What happened was this: Dempsey had driven two short tre- mendous punches to Sharkey's stom- ach as they stood midring. Whether one of these blows would have finished the Bostonlan will never be known, for as Sharkey wilted, sagged and stretched out "his hands to protest to Referee Jack O'Sullivan, Dempsey brought up a terrific left flush against his opponent's jaw. Sharkey, in the act of falling, had his hands flung wide apart as the fist of the ex-champion crashed home. Tlie big Lithuanian went down as though he had been lilt over the head. He was out with his face in the resin and blood of midrlng, and the referee's count was superfluous. The howl- of the pack went up as Sharkey dropped on his face and frantic Dempsey supporters were clam- boring about the ring before tlie final "ten" was tolled.

    May Regain Title
    Dempsey showed by his victory that he is capable of regaining his cham- pionship, which he held so well for seven years. But to do so, he will have to get inside Gene Tunneys defense and withstand, right punches more severe than those which rocked his head back on'his shoulders last night. Had Sharkey been able to hit as Tunney undoubtedly can, Dempsey's long ring career would have ended in the dust and resin of the ring last night. For the old man-killing flame no longer carried Dempsey through against a capable opponent. It IB only with at close quarters with short blows to the body that Dempsey can defeat an opponent now. At long range, the exchampion was comparatively hopeless. Sharkey cracked him with lefts and rights, bloodied both his eyes, cut his nose and drew a stream of red from his mouth. By way of contrast, Sharkey was unmarked save for a band of red about his midriff and Dempsey had punished him severely with short body blows, there was no doubt of that, something else lost the fight for the confident Bostonian, and this is what it was: Jack Sharkey, for his youth and confidence, was too ready to enter a claim of foul when his opponent drove punishing blows to his waist line. A certain lack of fighting spark which made the Lithuanian more ready to win on a technicality and not ready enough to fight back with his -fists cost Jack Sharkey his chances for the heavyweight championship.

    The Fight
    The first two rounds of the fight were fairly even with Sharkey's super- ior skill and foot work oft-setting the stubborn shuffling forward march of the ex-champion. Then In the third round, Dempsey, with one eye nearly closed and his mouth dripping blood, shuffled Shar- key into tire letter's corner and drop- ped him to one knee with a left hook to the pit of the stomach. Sharkey went down to one knee at the clang of the bell ending the round. For the first couple of rounds Dempseys legs were giving and his face was growing pulpy under even the comparatively light blows of the Lith- uanian. For a time It looked like a repetition of the fatal night at Philadelphia when Gene Tunney cut Dempsey's face to ribbons and took the title. Sharkey had a chance to do the same thing and nearly succeeded, but the difference was this; .Dempsey Improves Dempsey had improved at least 100 per cent, in physical condition and will to win, and Sharkey was no Gene Tunney.

    The pile driving blows which Demp- sey drove to the pit of Sharkey's stomach, landed exactly on the blue belt which held up the Bostonian's trunks.