On this day in 1962, Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) stopped Archie Moore.

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moore was still kind of slick in this fight
     
  2. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Y'all making me wanna brush off the KOK '01 game lol. Maybe run this fight back but beat Ali. Would b a pleasure playing as Moore in any game w gameplay I can tolerate honestly. Don't expect him in Undisputed but man that would b great!
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for the compliment Vic The Gambler.
     
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  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are correct Pugguy, Ali predicted round 8, then cut it in half after Archie invented the Lip Buttoner.
     
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  5. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I corrected someone already & said Moore was rfeally within one month of 49 when he fought Ali (& had one more fight & victory months later)-but although aware of the vagueries of his Birthday, I thought it the 1913 birthdate was well established.
    According to this unverified source, December 13th is, but a census on 1/2/20 seemed to show he was 3 years & 2 months then.
    I am skeptical; for one IF the year is correct but the undispited 12/13 date is also, he would have been less than a month over 3.

    However if this source is correct, Moore was just shy of 46, not almost 49, when he fought Clay/Ali.
    But if so, his professional career would have started at 18.
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess the original rhyming word for the forecast of 8 was likely “great” (as in maybe: I am so great…)?

    “Much to his dismay, my lip buttoner will silence young Mr Clay. And when Cassius is muted, I will proceed to punch him stupid. In the allotted round of 7, you will see him kiss the resin and he’ll be thankful I didn’t send him to Heaven”.

    If only Arch had me around to write for him…..Ali might’ve been even less merciful than he was…lol.
     
  7. Vic The Gambler

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    Yep…my mistake. That was simply my maths letting me down. I checked his date of birth online that said 1913 and the date of the fight with Clay…towards the end of 1962… before my post. Then I contrived to mess up the count…not unlike a few boxing referees over the years!!
     
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  8. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    You’re welcome buddy
     
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  9. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    I just read the piece you sent. Interesting about the confusion in his age. Archie himself saying he was born three years after his mother claimed!

    I have to say I’d take his mothers testimony over Archie’s. Yes they were both present but I suspect his ma’s memory of the birth would be slightly more reliable!!
     
  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moore was born on Dec. 13th 1913,, which means he was 4 weeks shy of his 49th birthday, in the ring with a young Cassius Clay. The odds must have been a 1,000 to 1 .
     
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  11. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even at his peak that would be too high, although I know you are not being literal.
    I could see odds of 50-1 or so though...
    This was no normal "old man".
    His record in the months & several years before the fight & the competition he faced was at least nearly as good as throughout his whole career!
    Even as he moved up to HW for fights.
     
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  12. SolomonDeedes

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    This fight seems a bit of a joke now, but at the time it was considered a major test for a fairly green 20 year old prospect. Clay was the favourite, but only by about 2-1. It's not hard to find people who were picking Moore to win.

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  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And Muhammad Ali was just a young 20 year old, he was born on Jan 17 1942.
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is kind of like the mystery surrounding Sonny Liston's date of birth.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. He would have been lucky to have a guy like you write for him.
     
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