Once Again, Punchers are Born, Not Made...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Cormega, Feb 10, 2009.


  1. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Change the title of the thread then. It does have 'BORN' in it and I've given a hypothetical situation where from 'BIRTH' a set of techniques are imposed on infants and have given hypothetical outcomes of those various training methods put in place.

    I'll clarify for you. Strength plays its part in punching power, but obviously there is more to it than that, speed, technique etc. But the training programs would take all of this into account.

    Hope I've cleared this up for ya:good
     
  2. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    I'm sorry that you neglected to read my opening post where I said to assume that the mother****er is already full grown and has perfected his technique.
     
  3. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree with you bud.

    But ask yourself this, lets say your parents forced to to goto boxing from the age of 3. And topped with that gave you a weight training program. (Absurd I know but it does happen in eastern block/Russian countries).

    Would you be a better puncher than your brother?
     
  4. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then the title of your thread is inconsistent with your opening statement.

    Can't have 'born with' in conjunction with 'At adulthood' can you? Especially when the main development of a human happens from birth-teenage years.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    The question is could someone with no technique spark good opponents out just because they have been 'born with power'. I would say no.
     
  6. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Good opponents? No, probably not.
     
  7. borj

    borj the Pacific Storm Full Member

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    power in the punch is a combination of mass and velocity.. every people are unique for having proportionate numbers of slow-twitch muscle fibers vs fast-twitch muscle fiber.. so people are born to run the marathon, people are born to run the 100 m dash. and since punching power is partly velocity, id say it is born primarily
     
  8. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Then it is.
     
  9. gatorage

    gatorage Active Member Full Member

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    Similar to Hearns ... Tszyu was considered a master boxer as an amateur and was known for his speed, head movement and left hook.

    He turns pro ... and bam, starts knocking out guys left and right with the straight right and gave up all his subtlety.

    Does that mean the power was always there and he just discovered it? Don't know. But he genuinely turned from one of the most talented boxers (teddy atlas said he was the best boxer he'd ever seen watching Tszyu as an amateur) to a power puncher.
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I did do weights alongside boxing and it did improve my punching power, a lot, still wasn't enough to be stronger than my brother though and he didn't even bother with weights and like I said, the least boxing training of us 4. You have to do the weights all in moderation, I did the weights so that I gained enough muscle + more weight but not to the point that it made me slower. I suppose the same way gymnast would train for explosive muscle rather than just muscle. Weights makes your bone and muscle stronger, thus allowing more force to be exerted and your body able to take it.

    My bro did have the thickest wrist and legs though. I think this goes along with my theory, you need thick bone density in order to absorb the force of the punch and of course the legs help a great deal in punching power. Guys like Hearns defies this theory though.

    As for if I started at 3, I think that would help a great deal. The body adapts very well and I cant help thinking it will adapt into boxing mode, meaning the body will grow so that it will be good at doing what your trying to make it do, in this case box and generate force in a punch. Same way you can train the brain or your strength.
     
  11. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Really? I hit the weights real heavy for a while and I saw absolutely no improvement in my punching power. I was stronger but I also felt more sluggish and less fluid with the extra weight.
     
  12. owell

    owell Active Member Full Member

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    I'd say inborn, but the ability to hit with precision is what's being developed.
     
  13. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    No, and the proposition is just silly. Seriously, try convincing me that Pacquiao at 112, using the same form and technique he does now, would have punched as hard as he does now. It's just preposterous. Yes, I think there's a maximum potential you can achieve, but you need to use proper physical training and be at the proper weight to get there.
     
  14. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wrong you can make a big puncher with only $6.50 .. with a 4 dollar box of plaster and 2.50 in gauze , you can make one hell of a elite level puncher.
     
  15. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    I would say that Pacquiao has put on the majority of that weight naturally through the years although he did bulk up to fight DLH, but he was 17 years old when he started at 112. Guys just don't punch as hard in their late teens as they do in their late 20's because they're not completely developed.