Once again, those proposing Wilder to accept 12-15m have no idea how to do business.

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    That's why I always say, everyone should at least take 1 finance course in University/College so they at least have some business sense.

    I've made a similar thread before and it seems many agreed with what I said, but I'll have to make it again because people seem to be coming out of the woodwork recently suggesting more idiotic things such as Wilder should/need to accept the ludicrous 12m dollar offer. :risas3::ohno:risas3::pancarta::imwithstupid:

    I suspect there's great negotiations going on and Wilder will at least take home 35-40% of the proceeds, not 15% or whatever some idiots like to suggest.

    I think anybody with some sense knows that this fight will be huge in the US and in the UK, very likely to be a 100m clash, at least 80m.

    Even Wilder's people are offering Joshua 50m and some of the bozos on this board want him to take 12m. :godsdrink0nw:. Equivalent to 15% of the purse if it was an 80m dollar fight.

    It matters not that he's never fought on a PPV before because this will be a PPV fight and there's huge money up for grabs here. Wilder is a world champion and one of the best fighters on the planet and people think he deserves less than Parker, lmfao. They both need each other, that's a fact.

    If Joshua didn't need Wilder, why does Hearn and Joshua keep talking about him?

    Thank Goodness none of you guys are managing any businesses or making big decisions in any sort of respectable companies, bankruptcy would definitely be inevitable. If I were to make such a deal for the place where I work, I would be out of a job the next day.
     
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  2. deyell

    deyell to DIS DAY Full Member

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    Wilder deserves a flat fee, he is the C side here.
     
  3. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Very clear that many people on this board have no business sense. That's why being financially responsible is so important!

    Everyone needs to take at least 1 course on economics or business.
     
  4. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MVC? is not only the user who has the best scoring sense but he is also a sick business guy. Oh man. Give me more.
     
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  5. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    I'm great at many things, not only book smart but extremely street smart.
     
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    f1ght3rz Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not surprised tbh.
     
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  7. Max Thunder

    Max Thunder Useless Dosser Full Member

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    Said by the great businessman who thinks the split should be 50/50 and the fight should take place in Alabama.
     
  8. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shouldn't you be messaging Finkel as he said Wilder accepted the $15 mil
     
  9. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Wilder is a genius, he's fighting Breazeale next for 2 million.
     
  10. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    It should be noted that leverage is always a big part of negotiations, and team AJ have enough leverage to enforce many things here.

    Joshua has reached the point where he is a superstar, and can secure about $20mil per fight regardless of the opponent. He has defeated Wladimir Klitschko is a superfight on Wembley, in a legacy-type of match, earned fame and basically crossed over to non-boxing fans, at least in Europe (which is still big enough to secure him the mentioned popularity and financial benefit). On top of that, he owns 3 out of 4 major belts and is rated #1 heavyweight in the world by every publication. He is 28 years old.

    Wilder, on the other hand, is not well known in the US (much less worldwide) outside of the boxing community. He has been fighting in Alabama and recently NY's Barclays Center. His fight purses are between $1.5 and $2mil per fight, which is among the very lowest for heavyweight champions of recent memory. He usually draws mediocre crowd of 8-10k people per fight, at a relatively cheap ticket price. He holds 1 out of 4 belts and is rated #2, behind Joshua, by virtually all relevant publications. Time is also slowly working against him, as he will be 33 years old 4 months from now.

    From the above mentioned, it is clear to see that Wilder needs Joshua more than AJ needs Wilder. That is a part of Hearn/AJ leverage and that plays into the negotiations. While Wilder might think that he is worth certain percentage, that doesn't necessarily mean that his market stock is that big, and even if it was, he has to account that he is on the thin end of the overall negotiation leverage and likely won't be able to force AJ into making many concessions. Both sides know that if the fight doesn't happen, AJ is still going to make $20mil against Povetkin, while Wilder will net $2mil against Breazeale.

    I am not saying that Wilder should accept $12mil to fight Joshua in the UK, but he probably won't be able to count on much more. $15-18mil is still 7-9 times more than his career high purse of 2mil, and still more than he has made in his entire career. At this point in time, taking the market and leverage into account, as well as the present situation, Wilder would be smart to consider taking Hearn's improved offer.
     
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. Wilder-Joshua in Las Vegas with the proper promotion easily does $2 million PPV buys. Joshua can't do anywhere near those numbers with anyone else. Even if Joshua fought Fury he would most likely match his numbers with Wlad at best.

    Wilder is worth just as much in the international marketplace as Joshua, so it really should be 50-50, but I can see Wilder settling somewhere between 40-50% just to make the fight. I have a hard time seeing Wilder's team letting him compromise anymore than that, since they have to get paid also.
     
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    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    What's a 2$ million ppv buys?
    You're as bright as Wilder, dumbass.
     
  13. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    2 mil ppv buys lol

    Just remind me how many ppv's Wilder and AJ have sold in the US?
     
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    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    He also put a dollar sign next to ppv buys.
    Clearly as dumb as a rock.
     
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    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    never liked wilder or his tomato can resume. but business is business, and everyone knows this is the money fight in the heavyweight division. bronze blunder should accept no less than 40%. he brings something to the table , people want to see him exposed, fan boys want to see dream come true (aka nightmare), people want to see unified undisputed champ (wbc belt), british new boxing mecca, america boxing mecca. this baby sells itself make the damn fight everybody gets paid.
     
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