A weak chin is when you get knocked down/out or hurt by weak punches, or you are hurt for a long time. A weak chin is not defined by one punch, otherwise Tyson, and Duran along with others has glass jaws too!
the ironic thing is in one of rjj songs he boldly states "i'm mr. unstoppable, and still.... mr. unknockoutable" atsch :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I changed nothing. I simply didn't accept your self-proclaimed -- and frankly ignorant -- definitions. I hope you are able to understand that difference. Again, Lewis was stopped twice by the force of one blow. Wlad was never stopped even once using the same measurement. Why is that? Because Lewis can't take a punch anywhere near as well as Wlad can. Formula: Boxer A or B hits Lewis with one right hand, Lewis falls down, fight is over and Boxer A or Boxer B wins by KO/TKO. 50% of the time Lewis gets up and the fight is called, 50% of the time Lewis is counted out while not on his feet. Formula: Boxer C or D hits a gassed Wlad and Wlad is knocked down. BECAUSE WLAD HAS A DECENT CHIN, Wlad gets back on his feet. The ref, however, sees Wlad is out of gas and stops the fight. Wlad finishes on his feet, not having been stopped by the result of a punch, and certainly not as the result of a single punch. Formula: Boxer E hits Wlad with a series of hard punches, particularly left hooks. Wlad is knocked down several times, and is eventually stopped after having absorbed repeated flush shots (DEMONSTRATING HIS STRONG CHIN). Wlad finishes the fight on his feet, having neither been counted out nor stopped by a single punch. The guy who got 1-punch KO'd/TKO'd by Boxer A and Boxer B? He's the guy with the glass jaw, and the guy whose jaw is weaker than the guy who got TKO'd against Boxers C, D, and E. Having stamina issues doesn't mean you have a glass jaw, and getting repetitively KD'd (and never 1-punch KO'd/TKO'd) by a 240-pound man with some of the fastest hands ever by a HW landing clean, flush shots on your chin doesn't give you a 'glass jaw' either. This isn't a complicated situation. The guy who was twice taken out by a single shot is the guy with the weaker jaw, the guy with the brittle beard. Don't out-think yourself here -- it's not a trick question.
No, flukes happen. As is the case with Duran (and Hearns). It's when 'flukes' repeat themselves -- as is the case with the two 1-punch KO/TKO Lewis losses -- that trends start and glass jaws are judged as such. Duran never suffered another loss like he did to Hearns. Neither did Dempsey, who was once KO'd on one punch in the first round. Their KO losses were flukes. For the china-chinned Lewis, the same cannot be said. And thus comes the verdict: "Glass-jaw." Once Rahman landed what Lewis referred to as a "lottery punch," Sir Rasta's mandible was forever fitted with the warning label: "Careful, all ye who strike here - glass inside." No Rahman I and McCall I is just a fluke. But it happened, and thus Lewis goes from 'fluke TKO loser' to 'straight-up glass jawed' and forever ' This content is protected ' proponent.
Pauly, can you honestly tell me with a straight face that if the referee stopped Wlad after the second kd against Sanders it would have been a far worse stoppage than Lewis v McCall? I really think they were in similar shape. Also you haven't addressed the examples I sighted where Lewis' chin looked far better, I think this is the big difference, you try to define Lewis on his worst nights, while many of us who think more highly of Lewis look to avenged losses, and his career as a whole, particularly in regards to his chin.
He avoided getting clocked for years, but the way he went down and out from Tarver and Johnson, not really great punchers makes me wonder if he ever had a chin
I'll have to go look. I just remember thinking after Wlad was knocked down for a 4th time by Sanders (only to, once again, get back on his feet): "Damn, if only Lewis had the chin this guy (WK) has he actually may have been as great as so many thought he was before the first Rahman fight. I wonder how Manny Steward would do with him after the wonders he did with glass-jawed Lenny?" As far as the second paragraph of your repsonse let me get back to you. I actually have to do some real work (and get some 'real' rest) right now. Peace!
Cheers Paul, though I have to say that I think Wlads' chin is average for different reasons, i've seen Lewis take solid shots and be shaken but manage to stay on his feet. However with Wlad, his legs seem to give out more easily, even though he manages to get back up, Wlad seems easier to put on the canvas than Lewis but credit to him because he manages to get up, though there's only really been one occasion where the counts beaten Lewis to his feet. Also Wlad seems weaker mentally, i've never seen him cockilly stand in front of a guy after taking punishment the way Lewis did against Briggs, Lewis actually seems to respond better to being hit, Wlad always struck me as more tentative and tight, not as confident as Lewis in the ring, and he likes being hit far less (I remember in the past he used to literally turn his head from punches, that strikes me as being excessively nervous under fire). He also doesn't fight at all in middle range, the way Lewis did, I think what I was talking about before has something to do with that.
Lennox Lewis was only ever knocked down twice. How many other heavyweight champions can say this, seriously how many?
I think it has to do more with the leg's,because once the leg's are gone it makes the chin that much weaker,cotto has a weak chin and strong leg's,trinidad has a weak chin and strong leg's,so the truth is once the leg's are gone your fu**ed.Trinidad leg's were gone late in the fight against hopkins and we all know the ending to that.
Avenging losses doesn't mean anything with regards to whether someone has a chin or not. I'm not making a statement about Lewis' chin, I'm just saying the logic doesn't fit.
I was discussing how he looks at Lewis career in general, however I was alluding to my previous post where I pointed out fights where Lewis took a fair amount of punishment and showed a good chin (which is what I meant by this line "and his career as a whole, particularly in regards to his chin"). I'm saying he can't just look at the two losses and ignore these other fights (Bruno, Tucker, Mercer, Klitschko, etc), since I know how little he thinks of Lewis.
God, enough about Jones already, he's yesterdays news.He had his chance for greatness, but after stellar wins over Hopkins and Toney, he cherrypicked opponents, avoided Michaelsewski like the plauge, and just talked trash, made nasty faces, and fought his cocks.The win over Ruiz was no big deal, fatso Toney did it too.If Jones stepped up to fight Lennox Lewis, that would have been something to crow about.But Jones boasts continue to have more and more of a hollow ring.