Once and for all Roy's chin

Not sure what yer talkin' about on that last one!

For whatever it's worth - Jones was a couple of months YOUNGER when he got starched the FIRST time, than when Lewis was laid out the LAST time. And, he was about 6 years older when he got starched the first time than Lewis was for his first. Jones showed greater durability throughout his career, while Lewis was stopped when he was in his late 20s and then again in his mid-thirties.

As far as Holyfield, who ever said he was a thunderous puncher at HW?? And he was 37 when he faced Lewis, and had already shown noticeable decline.

 

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All the argumentation in the world can not get around specious premises. Your first is that the ability to absorb force exists independently from conditioning and the abilities to relax and recover. Your second is that a TKO loss is somehow less indicative of a weak chin than a KO. If anything it should be the other way around. In the former instance, a fighter is deemed to be in such physical danger that he must not be allowed to continue. In the latter, the fighter retains enough possession of his faculties that matters are in his own hands to the end.

On a more speculative note, look at the hard punchers Lennox beat. How can you compare a raw Sam Peter (easily Wlad's most dangerous fight since losing to Brewster) to 90's versions of Mercer, Tua, or even Golota and Briggs? We haven't seen Wlad in with this caliber of puncher recently, and with the way the division looks, we probably never will. I doubt I'm alone in picking at least one of those four to put Wlad into, to quote Phil Liggett, "severe difficulties."

Also, I'd love to see Wlad simply "walk through" the right hand Rock threw to put down Lennox. I guess since he'd get up only to fall like a dictator's statue over and over again until the ref spared him a possibly life threatening blow, it would prove to you he has a better chin. Debate class is a hell of a drug.

The first Tarver fight proves Roy had at least something of a chin. But he was hit so rarely in his prime, who really knows what kind of chin he had then?